T206 Wagner PSA 2 sold for $1.2M

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, it can be a crime.

RICO?

[swarmee]

Logical questions:

1a) Is it also a crime to leave up a sold price from a card that was never paid for?
1b) Or one that was refunded for any reason? This also bleeds into the PWCC/PSA/BGS scandal.

2a) Are VCP/APR/PWCC sold prices tools tainted by thousands of fake sales or refunded sales?
2b) How will these be identified and swept out of the databases?

3) Does Mile High do reserves?

4) Who is the mystery buyer/consignor?

5) Should auctionhouses name their consignors of every item going forward due to this scandal? If Moser/Burge/Tormollan/etc submit under a different name, but the name is now displayed in the listing, are their buddies really going to submit on their behalf?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Logical questions:

1a) Is it also a crime to leave up a sold price from a card that was never paid for?
1b) Or one that was refunded for any reason? This also bleeds into the PWCC/PSA/BGS scandal.

2a) Are VCP/APR/PWCC sold prices tools tainted by thousands of fake sales or refunded sales?
2b) How will these be identified and swept out of the databases?

3) Does Mile High do reserves?

4) Who is the mystery buyer/consignor?

5) Should auctionhouses name their consignors of every item going forward due to this scandal? If Moser/Burge/Tormollan/etc submit under a different name, but the name is now displayed in the listing, are their buddies really going to submit on their behalf?

IMO, given the number of cards many of these AHs get from card doctors, I seriously doubt this will happen. And I could see why even an AH that wasn't taking (knowingly) any cards from bad sources would want to safeguard the ID of their clients absent express permission.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

rico? :d

lol

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

lol

I hear it's easy to bring those claims.

[sando69]

hmmmmm, peter….
wonder which ah that could have been...

[sando69]

I've often considered the sports memorabilia and the natural gas industries to be one and the same!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I hear it's easy to bring those claims.

Being a total amateur I expect I'd mess it up somehow.

Judge " why do you think this is a rico case"
Me " well.... the guy who sold me the card had one of those sleeveless t-shirt things, too many gold chains and some really shady looking sunglasses... "

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip the bartender!

[Rhotchkiss]

So SCP brokers a private sale and then it gets listed with Mile High? Why not consign it directly to SCP? Something very fishy about the whole thing. Regardless, it is one hell of a card, and I would be honored to own one like it someday. At this point, I personally could care less about whether the grade is accurate- it’s a T206 Wagner with a very clean and clear picture. It’s a beast.

If the over-under is $1.44mm after buyers premium, I am taking a big bet on the under. But great card.

[MHCC]

Just wanted to attempt to make it clear that although the press release from SCP stated that the Wagner was sold recently it actually was sold to our consignor last October/November and it will be sold in my October 2019 auction

[oldjudge]

Brian-Is it true that the regraded Boston Store Ruth will be in your auction and, if so, was it consigned or is it yours?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by MHCC

Just wanted to attempt to make it clear that although the press release from SCP stated that the Wagner was sold recently it actually was sold to our consignor last October/November and it will be sold in my October 2019 auction

Thank you for clarifying the time-frame for us Brian.

I agree that it is a great card, and, as a T206 collector, I really wish it (and the Plank) weren't so darned rare; so I could complete my set.

Steve