Alteration vs. Conservation Defined

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Pretty sure we can get there.

Maybe, I was just looking to see what Ryan had in mind, is it PWCC, TPGs, Gary, etc.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe, I was just looking to see what Ryan had in mind, is it PWCC, TPGs, Gary, etc.

Just PWCC.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Just PWCC.

The more narrowly focused, the better then.

[calvindog]

Why make it more complicated than it has to be? Go after the head of the snake.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Why make it more complicated than it has to be? Go after the head of the snake.

"What are you gonna do, LaChance? Shoot us all?

No, Ace. Just you."

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by conor912

"What are you gonna do, LaChance? Shoot us all?

No, Ace. Just you."

Great line, great movie. This could turn into a complete and total Barfarama

[steve B]

Could the argument be made that we have all been harmed in one way or another?
The people with the money and inclination have bought things that were altered to be something they aren't, and have paid very high prices to do that.
That in turn had raised the prices of lower condition cards, sometimes to the point that collectors on lower budgets can't afford them at all. Not because the cards have increased in value naturally, but because the overall price has been inflated by the false grades.

I suppose the opposite argument could be made, that a great many of us have benefited from the false high prices, being able to sell our cards for more. That doesn't work for me, mostly because I seldom sell anything, but to me it seems that many collectors regularly turn stuff to follow other interests in the hobby.

[Rhotchkiss]

Thanks for the reply guys. I have deleted this last post, but happy to talk offline - PM me.

Ryan

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hopefully one could come up with a wider class than just limited to specific identified cards, the money is always in a large class. As long as you're not talking a crusade against BGS/PSA which was my initial concern about your post, and are focused on a specific defendant where it looks like some good evidence has been outed already, that's a better suit to consider.

[Republicaninmass]

Brent better conserve his Asset, he could get altered in the can.

Pre
War
Card
Cutter/cleaner

[Kenny Cole]

I presume the class would be filed in Oregon, correct? Would it just be for in-state collectors or would it be a nationwide class with CAFA implications? I don't know anything about the federal district judges in Oregon, but here certifying a national class, particularly of fraud victims, would be pretty difficult IMO.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I presume the class would be filed in Oregon, correct? Would it just be for in-state collectors or would it be a nationwide class with CAFA implications? I don't know anything about the federal district judges in Oregon, but here certifying a national class, particularly of fraud victims, would be pretty difficult IMO.

I've thought about it for all of five minutes. But I've certainly LOST motions to limit classes to a particular state.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hopefully one could come up with a wider class than just limited to specific identified cards, the money is always in a large class. As long as you're not talking a crusade against BGS/PSA which was my initial concern about your post, and are focused on a specific defendant where it looks like some good evidence has been outed already, that's a better suit to consider.

Assuming you got as far as discovery, and that there was information that confirmed the conspiracy theories, would you then pursue PSA and/or BGS as well?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Assuming you got as far as discovery, and that there was information that confirmed the conspiracy theories, would you then pursue PSA and/or BGS as well?

I have no clue at this point, at this point I'm just responding to a post on a message board.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have no clue at this point, at this point I'm just responding to a post on a message board.

Fair enough, just a hypothetical that was probably too broad.

Ruining a card doctor and or someone aiding that would be a start, but if a grading company was knowingly letting stuff by, I'd hope they would be dealt with too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Fair enough, just a hypothetical that was probably too broad.

Ruining a card doctor and or someone aiding that would be a start, but if a grading company was knowingly letting stuff by, I'd hope they would be dealt with too.

I would hope that they find a way to deal with it themselves, in the first place. But we'll see.