PWCC E98 Black Swamp (De-Identi-) Find

T206Collector · #1 04-11-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

If I added correctly, the PSA Pop Report shows only 616 graded and in most instances only 18 of each player have been graded. 616 in the Pop but 799 based on the count???? Also seems odd that with as many cards as were found and the different quantities that there would be such a uniform population of each player. Is it possible PSA is not updating the Pop for these cards?

Is your 616 just BSF? Because the 175 are not labeled BSF, but definitely came from that find.

Lorewalker · #2 04-11-2019, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Is your 616 just BSF? Because the 175 are not labeled BSF, but definitely came from that find.

Yes just BSFs. So none of the newly graded 175 have the BSF designation? Anyway to determine if these 175 are fresh to the market as opposed to reholders for the purpose of removing the designation? And any ideas what the Pop Report figures show now on the BSF as compared to when the cards were initially graded by Heritage?

Also I have seen quite a few higher graded E98s in SGC holders some of which have the BSF designation as well.

T206Collector · #3 04-11-2019, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Yes just BSFs. So none of the newly graded 175 have the BSF designation? Anyway to determine if these 175 are fresh to the market as opposed to reholders for the purpose of removing the designation? And any ideas what the Pop Report figures show now on the BSF as compared to when the cards were initially graded by Heritage?

Also I have seen quite a few higher graded E98s in SGC holders some of which have the BSF designation as well.

This link has the pop reports from 2012.

http://forum.net54baseball.com/showt...54#post1660954

A quick read suggests some reholdering for purposes of improving the grade going on. But 175 times? Seems unlikely to me, but who knows. E.g., Possible a few PSA 8 and 8.5 Benders were resubmitted and got 9s.

swarmee · #4 04-11-2019, 04:41 PM

It's also possible that people crossed over to SGC and then the next buyer moved them back to PSA. If they were cracked, they're still in the pop report. If they were crossover submissions, I think SGC should have returned the flips to PSA so they could be removed from the POP report. Heck, the people who crack them should as well.

glchen · #5 04-11-2019, 05:06 PM

I really don't get this conspiracy theory at all in that someone is still minting these. That just sounds absurd to me. For one thing, where are all the Mathewsons? After Cobb and Wagner, this would the third best card in the set.

As others have said, I think there was just a massive find where someone unearthed a bunch of these, and now are slowly releasing to the market. Who knows how big the final number is. It may be huge. That's why I've always been very cautious about buying E98's because we don't know what the final number will be at this point. However, if someone is willing to sell me a Cobb is 9 grade (PSA or SGC), I'll be happy to buy one for $3K! Still hoping it reaches that level.

Lorewalker · #6 04-11-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen

I really don't get this conspiracy theory at all in that someone is still minting these. That just sounds absurd to me. For one thing, where are all the Mathewsons? After Cobb and Wagner, this would the third best card in the set.

As others have said, I think there was just a massive find where someone unearthed a bunch of these, and now are slowly releasing to the market. Who knows how big the final number is. It may be huge. That's why I've always been very cautious about buying E98's because we don't know what the final number will be at this point. However, if someone is willing to sell me a Cobb is 9 grade (PSA or SGC), I'll be happy to buy one for $3K! Still hoping it reaches that level.

Yeah I do not think these are still being printed. Seems a bit far fetched absent evidence to the contrary. I too am waiting for prices on the Cobbs and Wagners to level out. Would love to own one of each but gonna wait until the dust settles.

pitchernut · #7 04-11-2019, 07:20 PM

Don't know if this has been posted before and sorry if it's old news but found it kind of interesting.
https://youtu.be/7W3NkTBScOo

calvindog · #8 04-12-2019, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glchen

I really don't get this conspiracy theory at all in that someone is still minting these. That just sounds absurd to me. For one thing, where are all the Mathewsons? After Cobb and Wagner, this would the third best card in the set.

As others have said, I think there was just a massive find where someone unearthed a bunch of these, and now are slowly releasing to the market. Who knows how big the final number is. It may be huge. That's why I've always been very cautious about buying E98's because we don't know what the final number will be at this point. However, if someone is willing to sell me a Cobb is 9 grade (PSA or SGC), I'll be happy to buy one for $3K! Still hoping it reaches that level.

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