1921 Shotwell Babe Ruth on News

[Leon]

Why are folks saying the Shotwell is a possible fake? It is a 100% fake. Period.

It is nothing other than fake. I guess some folks don't understand what a fingerprint is?

[Atari]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why are folks saying the Shotwell is a possible fake? It is a 100% fake. Period.

It is nothing other than fake. I guess some folks don't understand what a fingerprint is?

Just CYA / CMA in case the guy is marketing the story as much as possible before the grading/authenticating (or worse, never gets it authenticated because "reasons"). Time will tell.

But yeah I'm with you... appears that the tear was reprinted and the background...just removed?

Can't wait to see the results of the authenticating.

In general though, I would think artifacts of course can exist on the plates during printing and be consistent across more than a few impressions of the same cards before the press operator cleans things up. But that $2 shotwell does look fake to me IMO.

[Leon]

Of course printing plate issues happen across multiple cards. We frequently discuss it here. On the other hand, uniquely known Ruth cards don't have the same tears or creases, centering etc... You would likely win Powerball twice before that happens. All my 1/2 cent of thought and free of charge.

Originally Posted by Atari

Just CYA / CMA in case the guy is marketing the story as much as possible before the grading/authenticating (or worse, never gets it authenticated because "reasons"). Time will tell.

But yeah I'm with you... appears that the tear was reprinted and the background...just removed?

Can't wait to see the results of the authenticating.

In general though, I would think artifacts of course can exist on the plates during printing and be consistent across more than a few impressions of the same cards before the press operator cleans things up. But that $2 shotwell does look fake to me IMO.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why are folks saying the Shotwell is a possible fake? It is a 100% fake. Period.

It is nothing other than fake. I guess some folks don't understand what a fingerprint is?

Without a doubt. I think the "possible" piece is a bit tongue in cheek. A stumbled across this from the other Anson. Great stuff, as always.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...baseball-card/

[Santo10Fan]

A friend of mine brought this story to my attention, and my radar was up right away. Once I saw the local TV news report though it was all over. This guy is full of crap and basically seems to have made reporters appear just to get his kids on TV. That's old school. My silver lining take is, this type of publicity for the hobby is good publicity. Just like my friend, many people will take the story at face value and assume that those kind of rare cards are still floating around. I don't think many people will stick around to find out whether the card passed muster or not. That's for the best, because the attention will be on cool prewar cards, and it may get people interested without having to find out in the end the card is in fact exactly what was intended to be sold-a reprint.

[Throttlesteer]

This is getting painful. https://abc30.com/sports/visalia-man...-card/5158849/

[ctownboy]

Seems like this guy needs to get in touch with the two guys from Cincinnati that have their "T 206 Wagner"......

David

[shagrotn77]

My God, that article is poorly written.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Seems like this guy needs to get in touch with the two guys from Cincinnati that have their "T 206 Wagner"......

David

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Leon]

They are waiting to hear from the experts before they make their next move. I am just sitting here laughing thinking about their next move to the trash can.
Here is the other one of the 2 real Shotwell's known...

[Santo10Fan]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

This is getting painful. https://abc30.com/sports/visalia-man...-card/5158849/

Saying that "no one has proven this is a fake" is the reddest of red flags. I'm not sure who Ball is lecturing when he is trying to argue that a card featuring a baseball player isn't a baseball card, but "memorabilia". Yes, it was in fact made for a game. That game is baseball. If he was serious about authentication, he could get it done and slabbed right quick. If Ball ever shows up on this message board, I will be happy to tell him the exact steps to take to get this thing resolved. But not before he discloses exactly which auction houses he has spoken to.