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Old 01-25-2019, 08:18 PM
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Greatest closer of all time. Not a top 10 pitcher of all time.
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From my experience, if you go to the non-sport board and start a poll "Who is Mariano Rivera?" They don't know. They've never heard of 'im. He's a local celeb like Joe Mauer.
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From my experience, if you go to the non-sport board and start a poll "Who is Mariano Rivera?" They don't know. They've never heard of 'im. He's a local celeb like Joe Mauer.
I thought he was a painter until I read this thread. Baseball. Who could have seen that one coming?
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Here's an interesting analysis of closers.

https://dizzydeane.wordpress.com/201...ated-position/
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Here's an interesting analysis of closers.

https://dizzydeane.wordpress.com/201...ated-position/
Great article, but really it's not that involved. If you like WAR look at WAR for an elite reliever. it's about 1/3 to 1/4 the WAR of a great Starter or position player. Pretty simple.
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From my experience, if you go to the non-sport board and start a poll "Who is Mariano Rivera?" They don't know. They've never heard of 'im. He's a local celeb like Joe Mauer.
I mentioned the ongoing Mariano debate here to an old friend via email yesterday.

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“Wasn’t he one of the three tenors?”
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I mentioned the ongoing Mariano debate here to an old friend via email yesterday.

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“Wasn’t he one of the three tenors?”
You clearly hang with culturally astute folks.
Then again, if one of them got tired at the end of a concert....
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Scott- Beyond the metrics, I found it interesting that closers turned starters had no success. How many highly successful starters become closers? Closers are generally high velocity or one pitch specialists that have shown difficulty being successful when pitching a number of innings in one game. Otherwise, they would be starters.
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Scott- Beyond the metrics, I found it interesting that closers turned starters had no success. How many highly successful starters become closers? Closers are generally high velocity or one pitch specialists that have shown difficulty being successful when pitching a number of innings in one game. Otherwise, they would be starters.
Stats ERA G IP HR BB SO WHIP SO/9 SO/BB
as Starter 5.94 10 50.0 8 20 38 1.680 6.8 1.90

He also didn't even make the majors until he was 25, so FAR from an elite starting prospect.
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