Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

The person in Lewiston, Ill is Roger Till. He has been on ebay and amazon forever.
He has truckloads of bad stuff. On ebay he is vintagecollections1. He has also been olebbstuff.

Is that olebbstuff (13225) possibly f****f the guy is a known forger. Doubtful he'd be able to get his sub through a TPG, and probably has someone doing it for him.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is that olebbstuff possibly f****f , the guy is a known forger. Doubtful he'd be able to get his sub through a TPG, and probably has someone doing it for him.

No idea if he is f**f or not.
I bought magazines from him under a third ebay name that i dont recall, but i know olebbstuff and vintagecollections1 are the same people.

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[Republicaninmass]

There is still the n****e buyer as well

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

There is still the n****e buyer as well

This seller (real name) is known and the one I believe authorities are looking into.

[jad22]

Has anyone heard anything from the authenticators about this? Are they aware that something is broken?

[painthistorian]

as Chris just stated, the seller of my T206 baker is known by the investigative authorities and they do not want this publicly stated as the investigation is on going and CURRENT. as far as e bay fraud dept, they are useless. There may be a network of these sellers so we have to hope they can get to the bottom of this quickly.

There probably are many "better" but far from perfect forgeries out there graded & not graded by TPG's...DO YOUR OWN COMPARISONS and research...I used to write to the HOF and send yellow plaques to the players, so many of them signed so it is pretty obvious that a Rube Marquard plaque signature that I got back from him looks different that those crappy T206's that passed, same with Bill Terry 1933 Goudey. As an educated forum, any collector should really study & LEARN THE SIGNATURES if you collect autographs. There are plenty good ones out there thru google search, if your gut tells you something does not look right, it probably isnt...but this investigation does show one thing TPG services are OPINIONS, hopefully they get more right than wrong but its up to a buyer to educate yourselves as to what you buy. "a leap of faith sometimes can get you banged up"

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by painthistorian

so it is pretty obvious that a Rube Marquard plaque signature that I got back from him looks different that those crappy T206's that passed, same with Bill Terry 1933 Goudey. As an educated forum, any collector should really study & LEARN THE SIGNATURES if you collect autographs. There are plenty good ones out there thru google search, if your gut tells you something does not look right, it probably isnt...but this investigation does show one thing TPG services are OPINIONS, hopefully they get more right than wrong but its up to a buyer to educate yourselves as to what you buy. "a leap of faith sometimes can get you banged up"

Good advice, but these are not low grade fakes. These slabbed t206s and such are professional forgeries, and they are pretty good.

[ALBB]

that's an incredibly good and true point regarding testing age of pen ink...can NOT be done by somebody sitting and looking at a card for 2 minutes

[Duluth Eskimo]

“If you give an opinion of a person or company, your FULL name needs to be in the post”

Why does this seem to be so hard for some to understand. Apparently for the moderators this only applies to some people and some threads.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

“If you give an opinion of a person or company, your FULL name needs to be in the post”

Why does this seem to be so hard for some to understand. Apparently for the moderators this only applies to some people and some threads.

It applies to everyone. Just PM me if you have an issue with someone saying something (you will stay anonymous) that needs their name by it and it will be done. I don't see every one or remember to do it every time. I hoped that having it in bold letters at the top of every page would be enough to warrant compliance but obviously not.

[Snapolit1]

Maybe 3 years ago I posted that I will never collect high end autographs because I believe they are way too easy to fake, and that some TPG waving a magic decoder ring over it for 2 minutes doesn't mean bupkiss to me. I have been involved in court proceedings where some of the nation's leading forensic experts have debated whether a signature on a legal document signed 20 years ago was genuine or a fraud. The idea that the market is not flooded with fake Ruth and Gehrigs and many others is impossible for me to imagine. We saw some of it recently with Mathewson signatures. It just isn't that hard folks.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by Leon

It applies to everyone. Just PM me if you have an issue with someone saying something (you will stay anonymous) that needs their name by it and it will be done. I don't see every one or remember to do it every time. I hoped that having it in bold letters at the top of every page would be enough to warrant compliance but obviously not.

Sorry if this pertained to me and it got some panties in a bunch. Sometimes you get so wrapped up in the reading you forget. I've updated my profile so my full name is in every post! Happy to be transparent to anyone.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is that olebbstuff (13225) possibly f****f the guy is a known forger. Doubtful he'd be able to get his sub through a TPG, and probably has someone doing it for him.

If they randomly use two characters from the username to form the scrambled name, then "f***f" would fit since it has 2 f's. That format works, since I typically show as "t***2" in the scrambled format (my eBay name is same as my name here, with a t and a 2 in the name.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

The person in Lewiston, Ill is Roger Till. He has been on ebay and amazon forever.
He has truckloads of bad stuff. On ebay he is vintagecollections1. He has also been olebbstuff.
A few years ago i bought some signed Sport Magazines off him. They were close, but not good under closer inspection. He refunded my money. Around the same time, another member here, Mike R, bought several signed mags from him including Maris, off Amazon. They were rejected when he asked Richard Simon to check them out. He was able to get his money back as well.

If you see someone selling autographs out of Lewiston, Ill, run very far very fast.

I am not saying he is the person behind the t206s, but there are multiple threads about him in Sportscollectors.net being a bad seller..

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Is that olebbstuff (13225) possibly f****f the guy is a known forger. Doubtful he'd be able to get his sub through a TPG, and probably has someone doing it for him.

F****F had more than 10k feedback and bought that original card from teri781. olebbstuff ( 13226) has several feedbacks from teri787.

[smokelessjoe]

Not sure if this helps, but Carlton has several photos from his booth in 2013??

http://www.sportsantiques.com/2013natstory6.htm

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

F****F had more than 10k feedback and bought that original card from teri781. olebbstuff ( 13226) has several feedbacks from teri787.

Thinking about this more and we don't know absolutely that olebbstuff is the Marquard scammer, but the fact that olebbstuff is already associated with a forger and he has been allowed to continue is very worrisome. Then to top it off that it there is a high likely hood that he is associated with the signed t206 that started all of this is just horrible.

I am in disbelief of our entire legal system when known scammers are allowed to continue to operate (including Coach's Corner). It isn't like there isn't enough proof to build a case.

[Exhibitman]

Don't be surprised; the rule in law enforcement seems to mirror the rule in local news: if it bleeds it leads. Of all the times I've tried to get prosecutors interested in blatant fraud or other white collar thievery I've only gotten one case off the ground. They prioritize violent crimes. White collar stuff, which often requires larger resources and substantial expertise to prove and often involves defendants with the resources to fight, is not as attractive to lower level prosecutors looking to feather their beds with high conviction rates and move up to elective office or a judgeship.