365 Days of Roberto Clemente

[docpatlv]

Day 312


1969 MLBPA pin...





1983 Re-Issued pins...

[docpatlv]

Day 313


More ca. 1960s Store Model bats...

[docpatlv]

Day 314


1972 Baseball Digest...

[docpatlv]

Day 315


1972 Black Sports magazine...

[Empty77]

I've been surprised and impressed by the sheer number of magazine covers graced by Clemente. His playing days pre-date my awareness of sports, so concurrent magazine spreads isn't something I would otherwise have knowledge of.

Given that generally they are monthly publications, that he was a recognized star for maybe 15 yrs once he got rolling, and yet that there were hundreds upon hundreds of other players during that span to divvy publication covers among, it is impressive you've been able to post here what seems like a couple dozen with RC.

Too bad we don't have an advanced statistic on this to cite, something like an MSA- the magazine saturation average...

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Empty77

I've been surprised and impressed by the sheer number of magazine covers graced by Clemente. His playing days pre-date my awareness of sports, so concurrent magazine spreads isn't something I would otherwise have knowledge of.

Given that generally they are monthly publications, that he was a recognized star for maybe 15 yrs once he got rolling, and yet that there were hundreds upon hundreds of other players during that span to divvy publication covers among, it is impressive you've been able to post here what seems like a couple dozen with RC.

Too bad we don't have an advanced statistic on this to cite, something like an MSA- the magazine saturation average...

Thanks, and there’s always more that I haven’t seen before.

[docpatlv]

Day 316


1971 Topps coin...

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Day 312


1969 MLBPA pin...





1983 Re-Issued pins...

So, the pics above clearly show the difference b/w the original and the reprint pins: for one, Clemente's face is different and eyes are looking in a different direction for obvious sake...

Now, take a look at this CU forum thread where it was discussed that someone made a $5000 boo-boo when they purchased a reprint at auction that is slabbed as the sole PSA Mint 9: https://forums.collectors.com/discus...mment_11686941

The cert still shows active, for a PSA collector that has about 50 active sets, including the top MLBA Pin set for 2016-2017 (including the reprint item naturally). So either he doesn't know it's a reprint (which seems hard to fathom, since with so many others he should be a resident expert), or chooses to pretend not to know in order to compete higher toward the top spot?...Or, new theory, so many of his high-end pins are all reprints so much that he wouldn't actually know the difference between them??

Anyway, anyone have the know how and/or motivation to set PSA straight on it? (owner doesn't appear to compete in the Clemente registry so the reprint doesn't directly affect the ratings list, aside from reducing those who would otherwise have the highest rated real one) [I myself don't have any].

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by Empty77

So, the pics above clearly show the difference b/w the original and the reprint pins: for one, Clemente's face is different and eyes are looking in a different direction for obvious sake...

Now, take a look at this CU forum thread where it was discussed that someone made a $5000 boo-boo when they purchased a reprint at auction that is slabbed as the sole PSA Mint 9: https://forums.collectors.com/discus...mment_11686941

The cert still shows active, for a PSA collector that has about 50 active sets, including the top MLBA Pin set for 2016-2017 (including the reprint item naturally). So either he doesn't know it's a reprint (which seems hard to fathom, since with so many others he should be a resident expert), or chooses to pretend not to know in order to compete higher toward the top spot?...Or, new theory, so many of his high-end pins are all reprints so much that he wouldn't actually know the difference between them??

Anyway, anyone have the know how and/or motivation to set PSA straight on it? (owner doesn't appear to compete in the Clemente registry so the reprint doesn't directly affect the ratings list, aside from reducing those who would otherwise have the highest rated real one) [I myself don't have any].

Well, at the very least, you would think that both PSA and the auction house should know better.

[hcv123]

The first and arguably most high profile card that PSA graded (the Gretzky Wagner) was trimmed by Bill Mastro - admitted under oath in court - PSA has never done a thing about it - everything after that - fruit from the poison tree. PSA imo has clearly shown in many cases they just don't care.
I have tried communicating with them in the past about getting things added/changed/deleted from the Clemente registry - always an uphill battle - they recognize transogram and bazooka boxes cut into pieces (single/panel/box/side panels, etc.), but choose not to recognize legitimate printing variations on the 1969 Nabisco (wide and narrow border variations), 1962 Salada coin (180/200 variants) and Bazooka box size variants (20 and 25 piece boxes)! They make their best guesses at the 1966-1971 color team issue cards (getting it wrong plenty), but will not slab a legitimate 1956 and other team issue photos. The 1967 Topps test giant standup is "optional" on all player registries EXCEPT for Carl Yastrzemski. I will not even get started with their grossly flawed weighting process. They would be better called PSI - Professional Sports Inconsistencies. So - fix a counterfeit pin that they slabbed when the owner doesn't care........good luck.