OPINION: SGC got it wrong.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

problem as I see it is you have a lot of conjecture but no proof. Unless I'm missing something there is nothing to conclusively distinguish your card form an altered R303A.

Fair, but how does PSA make the distinction then?

[rhettyeakley]

They don’t know what they are doing. I have had many of these over the years that all originate from north of the border, despite the Boston address (they just used Goudey R303’s that had already been produced and factory cut them), there are many issues that show WWG and Goudey were more like Topps/OPeeChee in their relationship. The factory trim is very distinct and easy to distinguish. The problem is even some of the reference books fail to catalog the cards as well. I literally just picked a group of these at the National in a group of 10-15 regular V351’s. All this being said the value obviously is severely limited as one could take regular R303’s and simply trim them to size today. Tough issue but perhaps tougher to find people that care.

It sounds like they are just unaware that it was issued that way, which is not acceptable. If they were saying they didn’t want to grade them due to possibility of someone trimming them recently to make a crease free but VG R303 into a NMMT V351-B then I can understand their hesitation in grading them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It sounds to me like you should enlist Rhett's help to explain the distinctiveness of the factory cut, satisfy yourself that they are factory cut, and take another run at SGC armed with this information.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It sounds to me like you should enlist Rhett's help to explain the distinctiveness of the factory cut, satisfy yourself that they are factory cut, and take another run at SGC armed with this information.

Agreed, Peter. Rhett, email is coming soon.

Brian

[conor912]

Sorry if I have misunderstood this, and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm reading is that these are R303s, printed in Boston, with the rest of the R303s. They were then sent to Canada, trimmed, and packaged with WWG and by that virtue alone it now magically makes them V351s?

[rhettyeakley]

Yes, it was done magically.

[rhettyeakley]

Ok, in seriousness. Yes that is how these items were distributed.

The World Wide Gum Co. and Goudey were the "same" company just like Topps and O-Pee-Chee were later, thus the reason they made the same or similar sets like 1933-34 Goudey, also see the Sea Raider cards that have both a Boston and Montreal location on back.

You can think it is all silly but they were issued exactly like you just stated in Canada using (likely left over) stock from Goudey and trimmed and distributed that way. Again, it makes it a different issue but admittedly one that wouldnt be to everyone's fancy as one could make their normal R303 a Canadian versions with a paper cutter. Weird? Yes. Magical? No.

I know I have handled probably 40-50 of them over the years that have ALL come from Canada and they all have the top and bottom borders trimmed from the R303's to make them roughly the size of the regular V351's that they would also produce (likely later when they had added a few Canadian players and produced a smaller physical size card).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

Sorry if I have misunderstood this, and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I'm reading is that these are R303s, printed in Boston, with the rest of the R303s. They were then sent to Canada, trimmed, and packaged with WWG and by that virtue alone it now magically makes them V351s?

That's how they were distributed apparently, and by a different (if related) company, so why not a separate designation, don't see the issue.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Ostensibly because SGC can't determine whether the cut was done in the period or if it was done later.