Kudos to LOTG - discovered counterfeit #311 1952 Mantle PSA 1 in latest auction

[Bicem]

Sorry to lose you as a "customer," you'll be missed for sure.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Sorry to lose you as a "customer," you'll be missed for sure.

man if thats how customers are treated in the hobby (afterall its not like the hobby is exploding with new buyers of thousand dollar cards that jessie buys) i feel sorry for how customers of non 1000 dollar cards are treated..

Jessie does make a point that there was time for an elaborate write-up but appears to be oversight on looking a very sought after card that is also subject to fraud. I get that everything was made right in the end but i dont think that type of comment serves anyone and is good for the hobby.....

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

man if thats how customers are treated in the hobby (afterall its not like the hobby is exploding with new buyers of thousand dollar cards that jessie buys) i feel sorry for how customers of non 1000 dollar cards are treated..

Jessie does make a point that there was time for an elaborate write-up but appears to be oversight on looking a very sought after card that is also subject to fraud. I get that everything was made right in the end but i dont think that type of comment serves anyone and is good for the hobby.....

I think at this point Jesses comments are just getting a bit old to them and Jeff is frustrated... the quotations on "customer" I assume may mean Jesse has never purchased anything through them... those that have such as myself are the ones defending them because they are a solid honest shop and when a mistake happens they do everything they can to take care of their customers.

LOTG has apologized on numerous accounts, the consignor accepted their apology, the winning bidder accepted their apology, but Jesse can't move on...I guess he will take this one to his grave. There is no time machine and the true character of an individual is shown in how they handle mistakes.

Goldin Auctions listed a 68 topps Bench as a Venezuela topps two months ago and only pulled it after people questioned it...in their description they called it one of the finest 68 Bench VZs in existence.... no one is perfect... move on...

Brian Longley

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by BLongley

I think at this point Jesses comments are just getting a bit old to them and Jeff is frustrated...

LOTG has apologized on numerous accounts, the consignor accepted their apology, the winning bidder accepted their apology, but Jesse can't move on...I guess he will take this one to his grave. There is no time machine and the true character of an individual is shown in how they handle mistakes.

no one is perfect... move on...

Brian Longley

+1 all day long.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jesse has an affinity for the 52 Mantle and I think he's just stunned and dismayed that a terrible fake could get by a reputable and important AH. It's fair criticism IMO and people shouldn't take him to the woodshed for venting a bit. This too shall pass, as they say.

[robkas68]

I agree with Peter. The criticism is fair in that you are putting some trust in the expertise of the auction house. If they are unable to catch a really bad fake, can you ever trust them to catch a well done one? That said, I don’t think anyone is suggesting it was done purposefully, so the message is you must do better than that to maintain the trust of the collectors and now we move on.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by robkas68

I agree with Peter. The criticism is fair in that you are putting some trust in the expertise of the auction house. If they are unable to catch a really bad fake, can you ever trust them to catch a well done one? That said, I don’t think anyone is suggesting it was done purposefully, so the message is you must do better than that to maintain the trust of the collectors and now we move on.

i agree.... mistakes happen...but it makes it hard to give top bidding on a card when you know a AH has made mistakes before..even if they are likely to correct them later.

Not saying it has happened, but what if these mistakes occur again and again...even though no purposeful, we shall see. I agree everyone should move on including Jesse but if not learn from the past we are doomed to repeat it....i think that was the point...

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Sorry to lose you as a "customer," you'll be missed for sure.

And I'm sorry that an "auction house" can't identify such a terrible fake without having it pointed out to them by one of their customers. Yes we all make mistakes, but if you let this one in what else is getting by?