Incredible eBay find that never materialized (newly discovered info on 6/26!!!)

[joed25]

Patrick,
I was the one who replied to you "must be my lucky day".
I was fed up with all the messages on this card and wrote back quickly to you out of frustration. Please accept my apologies. - Andrew

[Marchillo]

To me, I don't know how much more Joe and Andrew have to say to defend themselves. This is more than I would have expected. I know there will be some sort of criticism. If I were Joe and Andrew then I would share the information they offered with Leon. No one better in my opinion.

As for the OP - I think these messages come off really aggressive and harsh. Not the approach I would have taken. Also not sure why a phone call wasn't done after the repeated offer. I do not blame Joe and Andrew for not giving away that information. For all we know the trade partner could have been the second person to touch the card after the listing was pulled and could have been innocent in all of this too. Then Joe and Andrew lose a major contributor to their business and this person could go around blasting them as well hurting other frequent clients. Just a no win situation....

[joed25]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

To me, I don't know how much more Joe and Andrew have to say to defend themselves. This is more than I would have expected. I know there will be some sort of criticism. If I were Joe and Andrew then I would share the information they offered with Leon. No one better in my opinion.

As for the OP - I think these messages come off really aggressive and harsh. Not the approach I would have taken. Also not sure why a phone call wasn't done after the repeated offer. I do not blame Joe and Andrew for not giving away that information. For all we know the trade partner could have been the second person to touch the card after the listing was pulled and could have been innocent in all of this too. Then Joe and Andrew lose a major contributor to their business and this person could go around blasting them as well hurting other frequent clients. Just a no win situation....

Thank you for your kind words.

[sterlingfox]

Here's the proof that maxcollector69 lied to me.

Was I too aggressive with my approach to Joe? Yes, absolutely. But I'm also outraged at this whole situation, and really just wanted some answers. I didn't feel like a phone call would have solved or proved anything, as Joe made it clear that he wasn't going to reveal any info about the trading partner. And just like Andrew's insensitive initial response to Patrick, my correspondence with Joe was fueled by anger and frustration. All I had to go on at that point was that the card was in Joe's inventory and relisted on eBay at a 500% markup over what I had paid.

I don't expect to ever get this card for $1200. I actually moved on from that long ago, but when the card showed back up on eBay a few days ago, it got me angry all over again.

Once whoever Joe decides to relay the information to about the trading partner reaches out to me and confirms that it's legit, I'll happily apologize to Joe.

I'd much prefer getting the trading partner's contact info so I can at least try to find out who actually bought the card from maxcollector69, but that looks like it won't happen at this point.

My FULL NAME is Dmitry Drubitsky

[rhettyeakley]

Let. It. Go.

We have all this type of stuff happen to us. I bought a card off eBay from a seller, paid, waited and a few days later I got a refund. No message from the seller ever and a week later someone on the forum was showing their “new card” thay had found & proceeds to show the card I had already paid for. S*** happens. That guy isn’t my favorite Net54er but eventually I forgave the guy and have even dealt with them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

Here's the proof that maxcollector69 lied to me.

Was I too aggressive with my approach to Joe? Yes, absolutely. But I'm also outraged at this whole situation, and really just wanted some answers. I didn't feel like a phone call would have solved or proved anything, as Joe made it clear that he wasn't going to reveal any info about the trading partner. And just like Andrew's insensitive initial response to Patrick, my correspondence with Joe was fueled by anger and frustration. All I had to go on at that point was that the card was in Joe's inventory and relisted on eBay at a 500% markup over what I had paid.

I don't expect to ever get this card for $1200. I actually moved on from that long ago, but when the card showed back up on eBay a few days ago, it got me angry all over again.

Once whoever Joe decides to relay the information to about the trading partner reaches out to me and confirms that it's legit, I'll happily apologize to Joe.

I'd much prefer getting the trading partner's contact info so I can at least try to find out who actually bought the card from maxcollector69, but that looks like it won't happen at this point.

My FULL NAME is Dmitry Drubitsky

i would of said, ill still buy the card for the same price...please show me the card..no reason to refund

[Bpm0014]

^^^^^^^ this

[sterlingfox]

maxcollector69 never responded to me again.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i would of said, ill still buy the card for the same price...please show me the card..no reason to refund

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by sterlingfox

Here's the proof that maxcollector69 lied to me.

Was I too aggressive with my approach to Joe? Yes, absolutely. But I'm also outraged at this whole situation, and really just wanted some answers. I didn't feel like a phone call would have solved or proved anything, as Joe made it clear that he wasn't going to reveal any info about the trading partner. And just like Andrew's insensitive initial response to Patrick, my correspondence with Joe was fueled by anger and frustration. All I had to go on at that point was that the card was in Joe's inventory and relisted on eBay at a 500% markup over what I had paid.

I don't expect to ever get this card for $1200. I actually moved on from that long ago, but when the card showed back up on eBay a few days ago, it got me angry all over again.

Once whoever Joe decides to relay the information to about the trading partner reaches out to me and confirms that it's legit, I'll happily apologize to Joe.

I'd much prefer getting the trading partner's contact info so I can at least try to find out who actually bought the card from maxcollector69, but that looks like it won't happen at this point.

My FULL NAME is Dmitry Drubitsky

At this point.....If I was Joe you would not get anything further from me after your repeated attempts to ruin my reputation among other things. Have a hissy fit all you want but it really is time to move on and let this one go.

Geez its just cards man. This is not life and death.

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by whitehse

At this point.....If I was Joe you would not get anything further from me after your repeated attempts to ruin my reputation among other things. Have a hissy fit all you want but it really is time to move on and let this one go.

Geez its just cards man. This is not life and death.

well said

[ALR-bishop]

I wish I had a lot of influence on the card collecting community.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by whitehse

At this point.....If I was Joe you would not get anything further from me after your repeated attempts to ruin my reputation among other things. Have a hissy fit all you want but it really is time to move on and let this one go.

Geez its just cards man. This is not life and death.

A little tired of people saying 'its just cards' thats pretty unfair to say...its about someone being dishonest and about money.

lets see you lose $4000 on a deal and have people say....don't worry its just cards..

His deal involved a least a thousand or so....if its not a big deal...why dont one of you people who say 'its just cards' give him the thousand dollars..afterall its just cards and not over much...so should be easy to give it to him...

[Marchillo]

But the rest of that reply was 1000% spot on. The anger is directed at the wrong people. Andrew and Joe could have ignored the OP from the beginning. Instead they explained the situation and withheld the information they weren’t comfortable sharing. The OP went way overboard with them simply because the original scum seller didn’t engage him. I felt bad for the OP when this was first posted but feel much less sympathetic as this thread progressed. I don’t like the bullying tone the OP took so for someone to say “it’s just cards” isn’t the worst thing to say.

I’d also go on to say that I’d certainly do business with Andrew and Joe if the situation presented itself.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

A little tired of people saying 'its just cards' thats pretty unfair to say...its about someone being dishonest and about money.

lets see you lose $4000 on a deal and have people say....don't worry its just cards..

His deal involved a least a thousand or so....if its not a big deal...why dont one of you people who say 'its just cards' give him the thousand dollars..afterall its just cards and not over much...so should be easy to give it to him...

It's a lot different if someone scams you $4000 when they send you an empty box with no card in the package or something similar versus you were about to buy a card $4000 below market price because the seller didn't know better and priced the card incorrectly.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I hate to take sides when I'm not involved and this is more a general comment.

You cannot make yourself whole by damaging someone else.

[daves_resale_shop]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I hate to take sides when I'm not involved and this is more a general comment.

You cannot make yourself whole by damaging someone else.

Mic drop

[1952boyntoncollector]

I do agree that the original poster is pretty aggressive. I think it was way to early to talk about consequences and making business difficult etc.

Also for someone that hated that fake excuse about the card being damaged as the reason it wasn't shipped...to say


OP: I work during the day and come home to 3 young children, so I don't have the time to call
anyone.


C'mon, all of this effort on and on...is taking many minutes/hours...to just take a minute or two on the phone and saying he doesnt have time really looks bad to me. The new seller guy keeps asking him to call him and drawing a line in the sand by the OP ( no identity no call) is a game.

However, this isn't medical records or an undercover operation......giving an email or an ebay ID in a legit case of a stolen card or other type of crooked behavior (if can show proof of the email saying the card was damaged) isnt the end of the world. The new seller could of at least asked the person he did the trade with about this information and see what the person says and share that with the OP....

A little give on both sides would of made sense.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I hate to take sides when I'm not involved and this is more a general comment.

You cannot make yourself whole by damaging someone else.

+1

I'd move on. You win some, you lose some, that's how it goes. While looking through this thread, I didn't realize how much the value of this card has gone up. I consigned a beautiful SGC 5 of this card to Goodwin in 2011, and it sold for $1400 after BP: Link.

[SMPEP]

Andrew - apology accepted and reciprocated.

Cheers,
Patrick

[joed25]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Andrew - apology accepted and reciprocated.

Cheers,
Patrick

Thank you.

[Piratedogcardshows]

"I have a lot of influence on the card collecting community" best line of this whole thread

[mechanicalman]

I have been in the OPs shoes before. The almost exact situation happened to me. IT SUCKS. I genuinely feel bad for the OP - as bad as you can possibly feel about a guy who didn't get a Dietsche Cobb for a fraction than market value.

But at this point, you've got to give this up and move on. You will not be getting that card for $1200. You have no recourse. You were screwed by the seller, and he no longer owns it.

It seems like your only goal at this point is to besmirch others' reputations based on little to no evidence. You've actually done it in two threads (one of which you've walked back.) Will that make you feel better? Maybe. But how is wielding your hobby influence to hurt someone's business (your words) a good use of time and energy? You are too busy to take a phone call, but you find the time to run a smear campaign based on assumptions?

Dude, move on. I'm sorry this happened to you, but your reaction at this point is not a good look.

And also, how have we gotten this far without knowing your FULL NAME?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

And also, how have we gotten this far without knowing your FULL NAME?

This.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tschock

This.

This- Dmitry Drub.itsky - sterlingFox
.