opinion on these HOFers please

[theshleps]

JSA said Greenberg and Gehringer good. I have studied Greenberg autographs for sometime as I specialize in Jewish autos. I am 100% convinced on that one
http://loveofthegameauctions.com/193...-LOT13667.aspx
willing to sell for $150ppd

[khw]

yep those are the 2 i thought good well greenberg for sure but what did jsa say on the rest

[khw]

or you didnt mention it was already failed by jsa so for the most part i had the same opinion as jsa greenberg of course is real i m not so sure gehringer is though , funny when you post something like that or the cards nobody offers a opinion , now if it was trainwreck coaches corner there would have been 5 pages of i agrees

[khw]

you know i did not see since it was another post where you asked if any were clubhouse thought it said are these real so sorry . but the term clubhouse sometimes gets tossed around loosely since end result is no good , my opinion is most likely a greenberg scorecard and somebody has added all the rest probably even gehringer, all same pen . later on

[theshleps]

yeah- JSA said Greenberg, Gehringer good
Jim S said all except Simmons
If Rogell. Auker etc aren't real I am sure they weren't mailicious as who would add them to a real Greenberg?
I lean more to Jim S on this one but maybe since I own it I am not being objective.
Kind of weird- some of those cards I am tempted to try again through SGC or Beckett cause I feel they are real like the Aaron etc. It is like you said we all know the coaches corner stuff and there are experts on here for mantle Williams etc but then on some of the things I have posted now and in the past and others have posted too there are many opinion differences on their authenticity. That is to be expected. I do not know if I could pick out my own signature amongst 5 similar ones sincd 20 years ago
And sometimes I resubmit the same card to the same exact authenticator (not even the same company but the same person) and they give the opposite opinion they gave 6 months ago. I am not criticizing- just saying it is a non exact science. I don't bid on alot of slabbed stuff that looks off to me too. I wish there was a 100% sure method to know on the vintage stuff. Just wishful thinking

[khw]

i would be comfortable sending the cronin and aaron for sure , but yes beckett? i think then it may pass as good , pretty consistent there. to me on the scorecard adding extras on was value if it was in hand i could get a better idea of the ink , i have seem some weird stuff especially with albums and team pages . it just to me as a clubhouse things fall into some common sense, not as many clubhouse from this era as later ruth gehrig but i dont recall simmons rowe and guys like that having somebody to get that close to a signature vs just having somebody work all of those on behind closed doors, and how often does a scorecard end up getting taken into a clubhouse, handed into a dugout maybe but it isnt a team ball , and in a dugout more than likely they just wouldnt sign it vs having somebody sign for them , i remember years ago spence was looking at a yankees team ball and said so and so is a clubhouse and combes is his wife. what was she doing in the clubhouse?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Simmons is terrible. Agreed, that score card is more trouble than it's worth. Leaning toward the rest being fine, but would like to have item in hand prior to saying more. Such an odd piece. The standard reasoning might suggest ink enhancement over original pencil signatures (that would really explain the awful Simmons), but that's not necessarily the case here. Regardless, impossible to give an accurate opinion based on such a scan.

Aaron is a very common vintage through the mail secretarial. I'm amazed nobody caught that.