Show...me...your print variations!

swarmee · #1 02-17-2018, 12:21 PM

Just picked up this partial red pass on Pete Rose:

ALR-bishop · #2 02-17-2018, 01:15 PM

I am not a graded collector but if a card was otherwise a 10 what deduction would it get for such a print defect, if any ?

swarmee · #3 02-17-2018, 02:43 PM

Kind of a grader's discretion. If they consider it a "print defect", it would get a PSA 9 (PD) and count the same for the registry as a 7. If the submitter requested no qualifiers, it could drop even lower. Or it could stay a 10 if the grader doesn't think it's a print defect.

savedfrommyspokes · #4 02-17-2018, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Just picked up this partial red pass on Pete Rose:

Funny you posted this Rose with the missing red pass, just the other day I came across this 77 A-ROD (the original) card with what appears to be the same missing pass.

Also found this 68 Cap Patterson with tons of extra blue.....his left arm just blends in with the sky.

Sliphorn · #5 02-19-2018, 07:03 PM

Here is a similar item to the card above only with Cubs. Over printing?

savedfrommyspokes · #6 02-21-2018, 08:35 AM

The extra "white cloud" above the trees on this 68 Curt Flood card has been noted as a print variation, but until today, I had not noticed that this print variation has variations. The cloud appears to come in various sizes. I wondered if this cloud was similar to the cloud appearing on the 461-492 68 Topps cards. However, the Belanger card to the left of the Flood card does not appear to have a cloud appearing on it's right edge to match the Flood card's cloud.

ALR-bishop · #7 02-21-2018, 10:33 AM

Wonder if this defect shows up on any versions of his MB cards. It does not appear on the one in my MB set

savedfrommyspokes · #8 02-21-2018, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Wonder if this defect shows up on any versions of his MB cards. It does not appear on the one in my MB set

The variable clouds do not show up on my MB copy either or on any of the other MB copies of this card I have handled over the years. Based on how the MB cards were produced (on a sheet with FB and HR cards)separate from regular Topps cards, my guess is that this print variation is only going to be found on regular issued cards.

Cliff Bowman · #9 02-26-2018, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Funny you posted this Rose with the missing red pass, just the other day I came across this 77 A-ROD (the original) card with what appears to be the same missing pass.

I may have officially jumped the printing flaw/variation shark with these, but they are fun and challenging to look for. A recurring print flaw on the 1977 sheet with Robin Yount and Carlton Fisk affected about 48 cards, four vertical rows of 12. I still need examples of Larry Biittner, Charlie Williams, Robin Yount, Bruce Boisclair, Andres Mora, Gaylord Perry, Jim Bibby, Eric Rasmussen, Gary Thomasson, and Ron Hodges.

swarmee · #10 02-27-2018, 05:26 AM

1977 Topps - [Base] #635 - Robin Yount
Courtesy of COMC.com

This is probably the Yount: item 5109687 because the photo is washed out. Hard to tell on this one because there's not a lot of red in the image. But it sort of looks like the 1962 Green Tints with less definition throughout the image. Do you need the Rose I posted?

savedfrommyspokes · #11 02-27-2018, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I may have officially jumped the printing flaw/variation shark with these, but they are fun and challenging to look for. A recurring print flaw on the 1977 sheet with Robin Yount and Carlton Fisk affected about 48 cards, four vertical rows of 12. I still need examples of Larry Biittner, Charlie Williams, Robin Yount, Bruce Boisclair, Andres Mora, Gaylord Perry, Jim Bibby, Eric Rasmussen, Gary Thomasson, and Ron Hodges.

As always, nice work Cliff....I have about 25k 77 commons in my attic I have not touched in 15 years, guess I should take some time and go through them.

4reals · #12 02-27-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I may have officially jumped the printing flaw/variation shark with these, but they are fun and challenging to look for. A recurring print flaw on the 1977 sheet with Robin Yount and Carlton Fisk affected about 48 cards, four vertical rows of 12. I still need examples of Larry Biittner, Charlie Williams, Robin Yount, Bruce Boisclair, Andres Mora, Gaylord Perry, Jim Bibby, Eric Rasmussen, Gary Thomasson, and Ron Hodges.

The picture of the sheet helps a lot Cliff! I have obtained a couple different versions of the E-Rod for my Dodgers collection over the years.

bnorth · #13 02-27-2018, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4reals

The picture of the sheet helps a lot Cliff! I have obtained a couple different versions of the E-Rod for my Dodgers collection over the years.

+1 on the picture helping. I just picked up the Fisk for my Fisk error collection.

savedfrommyspokes · #14 02-27-2018, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

+1 on the picture helping. I just picked up the Fisk for my Fisk error collection.

That's cool Ben, but just how many Fisk errors are out there?

bnorth · #15 02-27-2018, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

That's cool Ben, but just how many Fisk errors are out there?

I just pick up weird print errors of some players. I picked up a Fisk rookie with a print offset a few years ago. Now I add his print error cards when I see them cheap. The very strange part is most of the players I do that with I don't even like. As an example I have an insane Randy Johnson collection and I hated him as a player.

savedfrommyspokes · #16 03-31-2018, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I may have officially jumped the printing flaw/variation shark with these, but they are fun and challenging to look for. A recurring print flaw on the 1977 sheet with Robin Yount and Carlton Fisk affected about 48 cards, four vertical rows of 12. I still need examples of Larry Biittner, Charlie Williams, Robin Yount, Bruce Boisclair, Andres Mora, Gaylord Perry, Jim Bibby, Eric Rasmussen, Gary Thomasson, and Ron Hodges.

In honor of Rusty's passing, here is another one of the 48 cards from his group, found this one yesterday.

Sliphorn · #17 04-12-2018, 04:18 PM

We all know about the stitching on the ball being different directions, but here are some other features about this card.

On the reverse, the ball is touching the left margin on one, but not the other. This is recurring.

On the obverse, there is a yellow top to the fence or whatever is at the left, leading to his cap. The other version does not have this. This also is recurring.

The yellow obverse is on the same card with the version that has the ball touching the margin on the back.I looked on both eBay and COMC and have concluded that this is the way these cards were done. I recall that this, along with Mantle and Robinson, were double printed and thus the differences.

ALR-bishop · #18 04-12-2018, 04:54 PM

Thomas—I have both of the Mantle, Robinson and Thompson stich versions and agree there are other front and back differences on each beyond the stitching. The Mantle differences are often pointed out, more so than the Thompson and Robinson. It was my impression in each case the differences are consistent depending on which version of the stitching is involved. Also agree it seems to be DP issue.

irv · #19 04-12-2018, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sliphorn

We all know about the stitching on the ball being different directions, but here are some other features about this card.

On the reverse, the ball is touching the left margin on one, but not the other. This is recurring.

On the obverse, there is a yellow top to the fence or whatever is at the left, leading to his cap. The other version does not have this. This also is recurring.

The yellow obverse is on the same card with the version that has the ball touching the margin on the back.I looked on both eBay and COMC and have concluded that this is the way these cards were done. I recall that this, along with Mantle and Robinson, were double printed and thus the differences.

Good eye on the Thomson. That is something I never noticed before even though I have the yellow top version. (Tough card to find centered)

swarmee · #20 05-16-2018, 06:59 AM

Oddball Mantle recurring print defect: 1967 Laughlin World Series 1964 card
Stain on Mantle's pants.

I just bought the one above. Let's see what it grades at PSA. Centering for this issue is solid, but I would have preferred the non-stain variant.

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