I’m done

[Exhibitman]

I haven't researched the law yet but it seems to me that if you continue to offer the public a service you know you cannot possibly fulfill, you are committing some kind of consumer fraud even if the fine print in your contract says you don't guarantee timing. I'd report the mess to the California Attorney General's office and see if they can investigate it.

The collapse of PSA's scheduling doesn't impact their on-site activity. They will be doing express grading at the Long Beach show on site in two weeks. I guess rustling up new $50+ fees is more important than clearing the backlog of existing customer orders.

[rainier2004]

So we all know Adam and Jeff are intelligent lawyers...and there isn't a thing I could argue with either.

Every time I have paid for a service in any other business and they were late, a representative for said business has apologized and attempted to make things rights offering a discount, future discount or something until I was satisfied which usually continues the business relationship as they were accountable.

But PSA...like Adam said, instead of working on the backlog they are just accepting more work. They cannot perform the function that people are paying for and know it but just act like its not their problem. I bet if everyone stopped sending in submissions for a month it would get their attention. I guess I just winder why anyone tolerates this? Their "standards" change and standards shouldn't change...that's why they are standards. They just grade vintage like shit compared to SGC who has their own problems. Us consumers do have a voice and every time you submit to them to use your voice and vote. We are smart enough as a community to fix this...PSA sucks.

S Suckow

[calvindog]

It's almost unfathomable that this is a public company. They really do need a high profile black eye to wake them up. I can't imagine their board members are aware of the garbage that is going on over there. Can you imagine if Boeing told their shareholders, "we can't get these plane orders fulfilled because we're really just getting slammed with so many orders." Heads would roll.

But CLCT just continues to take money in that they don't earn with the promise to deliver cards in approximately x number of days -- and rarely if ever delivers. And now they're accepting packages but not logging them in as accepted orders to start the clock on their promised time for grading, just to buy themselves more time. I'm telling you, a class action would be a slam dunk.

[Leon]

All of you guys are saying and asking questions and they all have one answer. MONEY

Why do collectors put up with it? MONEY (they feel they get more by using them)

Why does PSA keep doing it? MONEY (see top answer as to why)

It really is a circular question with the same answer each time. Ethics aside , I actually don't blame them. This is a capitalist society and as long as they can do it and not get ensnared legally for doing it, why not?

Just playing a bit of devil's advocate here. BTW, I think we do have a lawyer or two on the board who have some experience in class action suits.

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[ALR-bishop]

Not to worry. They are aware of the problem and working on it

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...d-times#latest

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Not to worry. They are aware of the problem and working on it

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...d-times#latest

Well, the discussion (?) has been closed after Joe's reassuring message.

In other words, "Shut up and stop complaining?"

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Well, the discussion (?) has been closed after Joe's reassuring message.

In other words, "Shut up and stop complaining?"

A federal class action lawsuit will get their attention and changes will be made. In addition, they will be coughing up all the money they dishonestly took from their customers.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Leon

All of you guys are saying and asking questions and they all have one answer. MONEY

Why do collectors put up with it? MONEY (they feel they get more by using them)

Why does PSA keep doing it? MONEY (see top answer as to why)

It really is a circular question with the same answer each time. Ethics aside , I actually don't blame them. This is a capitalist society and as long as they can do it and not get ensnared legally for doing it, why not?

Just playing a bit of devil's advocate here. BTW, I think we do have a lawyer or two on the board who have some experience in class action suits.

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If they don't want a lawsuit mess they need to hire more sharp eyed 18 year old kids to grade the mass of cards that have apparently back logged. They can afford it.

[ALR-bishop]

Larry ( sflayank) pointed out on post war that another issue, not solved by hiring a hoard of sharp eyed 18 year old people, is their inability to consistently identify and distinguish more offbeat or non mainstream issues, and what should be included in such sets.

[CurtisFlood]

Maybe they should pay some older guys like Andy Madec and a few others that are capable of identifying everything about cards. They would be worth a pretty penny to the company.