2017 Topps Certified Autograph Issues (non signed errors?)

[yanksfan09]

I tried putting up some better pics, took out of cardsavers. The one pic with 2 judges together aren't mine, those are the regular cards, image taken from ebay to compare differences.

You can see on the 3 "auto" cards the lightened area where the signature would be, how all the topps certified autograph cards are. They fade the color out a bit where signature should be.

I also just noticed on the back of all three in small black print it says " The signing of all topps autograph cards is witnessed by a topps representative to guarantee authenticity."

[JustinD]

I don't think signed versions of those cards exist. Those photos are the Judge SPs for that set and I have yet to see a signed version posted. I think the 1987 version may be pack pulled, but most autos are redemption and it should not be possible to pack pull those versions signed or not.

I would venture a guess those are proofs or possibly even a fantasy card because the certified writing should be stamped and there should be more clarity on that it is an auto card on the reverse.

If signed versions do surface when the redemptions are processed, they were likely backdoored extras from the production run to replace any damage.

I looked on ebay and the amount of postings that seller had makes it impossible he would have randomly pulled 33 unsigned error cards that should not exist in the general public and list all at the same time.

I may return them because 150 is a good chunk of cash for proofs or run extras, Just an opinion.

EDIT: From looking closer it looks like the cards are stamped and the logo is foiled. Leaning more to backdoored. I would like to see the redemption checklist to see if these are there to really help define it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I don't think signed versions of those cards exist. Those photos are the Judge SPs for that set and I have yet to see a signed version posted. I think the 1987 version may be pack pulled, but most autos are redemption and it should not be possible to pack pull those versions signed or not.

I would venture a guess those are proofs or possibly even a fantasy card because the certified writing should be stamped and there should be more clarity on that it is an auto card on the reverse.

If signed versions do surface when the redemptions are processed, they were likely backdoored extras from the production run to replace any damage.

I looked on ebay and the amount of postings that seller had makes it impossible he would have randomly pulled 33 unsigned error cards that should not exist in the general public and list all at the same time.

I may return them because 150 is a good chunk of cash for proofs or run extras, Just an opinion.

EDIT: From looking closer it looks like the cards are stamped and the logo is foiled. Leaning more to backdoored. I would like to see the redemption checklist to see if these are there to really help define it.

This is a general statement and not aimed at these cards. The better custom/fantasy card makers are good enough now that they are stamping and adding foil to cards.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This is a general statement and not aimed at these cards. The better custom/fantasy card makers are good enough now that they are stamping and adding foil to cards.

Very true, With these just being released I didn't think there was time or inclination at this point. However, still not convinced as the seller just banked 50.00x33 on this batch which is a nice quick score. The Desert Shield Topps were the start of that fake foiling in mass quantities many years ago.

[yanksfan09]

These cards are perfect 2017 topps quality. I don't think there's anyway they are counterfeit. I'm pretty good at spotting fakes and recognizing inferior quality.

The backs all have the line of small black text "the signing of all topps autograph cards is witnessed by topps representatives to guarantee authenticity."

To me there's no question that they are authentic and produced by Topps.

Obviously they were intended to be signed first so I don't know exactly what happened. I guess either they made it into packs by accident or anyone's guess.

Im putting up some more back pics, its hard to get the right lighting to see the tiny dark print on dark blue back.

I appreciate all the thoughts and comments, keep em coming... I just don't see anything that would make me question them not being produced by Topps. After that, I have no idea.

[yanksfan09]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1160279

This is link on BO forum of someone getting a Mike Trout just like one of mine, that had a sticker auto on it.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

I appreciate all the thoughts and comments, keep em coming... I just don't see anything that would make me question them not being produced by Topps. After that, I have no idea.

I trust they are Topps, I just have a bunch of cards like this that are the result of an employee walking out the door with a pocket of oddballs. Usually they sell to a dealer who parts them out. That would explain the seller having such a large quantity.

For those backdoor cards value is in the eye of the beholder. If they are visually exciting people can chase them on a individual basis.

In the case of autos and chase cards, Topps always keeps some extra around in case of shipping damage or customer complaints for replacement. They are not meant to see the public eye, but many have over the years. These are destroyed after the product leaves shelves.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by JustinD

I trust they are Topps, I just have a bunch of cards like this that are the result of an employee walking out the door with a pocket of oddballs. Usually they sell to a dealer who parts them out. That would explain the seller having such a large quantity.

For those backdoor cards value is in the eye of the beholder. If they are visually exciting people can chase them on a individual basis.

In the case of autos and chase cards, Topps always keeps some extra around in case of shipping damage or customer complaints for replacement. They are not meant to see the public eye, but many have over the years. These are destroyed after the product leaves shelves.

Yea, could be. It will be interesting to see if anymore come out from other sources. The seller told me he pack pulled them but who knows?

I found this one on ebay from a different seller (Pro Debut of Kyle Lewis)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Topps-...8AAOSw42JZKKzu

I don't know what to make of any of it.

[yanksfan09]

Fwiw, the seller with the Lewis card claims it a pack pulled as well.