Pujols

[KMayUSA6060]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or like a Cleveland fan questioning LeBron.

Well played.

[Touch'EmAll]

ok, don't blame Pujols. He has .233 Batting avg., a .374 slugging average, his WAR is -1.2 (thats NEGATIVE 1.2). And the only category he has ever led while an Angel is GDP, grounded into double plays. And all this batting in a choice and important spot in the lineup and behind Trout. Yup, give me a team full of Pujols' and we would be in the playoff hunt. Just frustrated.

[packs]

Well, who is your ace? Who is your closer? The closest thing the Angels had to an ace while Pujols had been on the team was Jered Weaver, a guy who strikes out no one. I can't think of anyone the Angels have developed through the farm in the last 5 years on the pitching side. Garrett Richards had one good year. Ervin Santana left the year Pujols arrived. There hasn't been much else.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by packs

Well, who is your ace? Who is your closer? The closest thing the Angels had to an ace while Pujols had been on the team was Jered Weaver, a guy who strikes out no one. I can't think of anyone the Angels have developed through the farm in the last 5 years on the pitching side. Garrett Richards had one good year. Ervin Santana left the year Pujols arrived. There hasn't been much else.

Speaking of pitching, the worst move that the Angels have made is letting Zack Greinke leave while at the same time signing Hamilton. Look how they've each performed since then, and the Angels could have kept Greinke for the money they threw away on Hamilton.

[ALR-bishop]

100-- as sorry as I was to see Pujols head west, I was relieved when he turned down the Cardinals last offer because in my view it is the reason they have been back to the Series since the trade and he never has. If it had not been for the 10 year service contract on top of the player contract I had hoped he would eventually finish his career back in St Louis

Hope when he does go in the Hall it is as Red Bird

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by Sean

Speaking of pitching, the worst move that the Angels have made is letting Zack Greinke leave while at the same time signing Hamilton. Look how they've each performed since then, and the Angels could have kept Greinke for the money they threw away on Hamilton.

That was all Albert's fault too!

[ALR-bishop]

And the Cardinals apparently have a tired catcher as well

But more the important question is whether the corrected version of the 2001 Topps Pujols card really exists

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

And the Cardinals apparently have a tired catcher as well

But more the important question is whether the corrected version of the 2001 Topps Pujols card really exists

Al.... Molina will let you know when he is tired gosh darn it! haha

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

ok, don't blame Pujols. He has .233 Batting avg., a .374 slugging average, his WAR is -1.2 (thats NEGATIVE 1.2). And the only category he has ever led while an Angel is GDP, grounded into double plays. And all this batting in a choice and important spot in the lineup and behind Trout. Yup, give me a team full of Pujols' and we would be in the playoff hunt. Just frustrated.

And his first four years he had WAR of 4.8, 3.9 and 3.1 plus a year with injuries. Sure he looks done this year. He also has 4 years left on his contract and is going to be a stone around the Angels neck. Whose fault is that? The only dumb person to give him 10 years. The Cardinals wouldn't. That should have been a red flag. Don't blame Pujols, he did what anyone would and took the best offer. Pujols is a no doubt 1st ballot Hofer.

[bn2cardz]

Mickey Mantle hit .237ba/.385obp/.398slg in his last season at age 36. Pujols hit .268ba/.323obp/.457slg last season (age 36).

Attached is a screen shot of Pujols' and Mantle's age 30-36 seasons. Though there is a slight edge to Mantle, Pujols is very comparable.

[Touch'EmAll]

Mickey Mantle last 5 years offensiveWAR were: 6.6, 2.4, 4.7, 4.6, 4.1 - Pujols' last 5 years oWAR were: 1.3, 3.1, 2.6, 1.8, negative 1.1

My Angels have many problems contributing to their poor record. Thanks y'all for pointing out the various problem areas. However, Pujols is a major problem area this year. Sad to see such a true high end beloved first ballot HOFer slide sooo much.

I just gotta get over it. Hope next season better.

[bravos4evr]

You kinda have no choice. He's there until 2021 and nobody will take him and that contract in trade.

[bdk1976]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Mickey Mantle hit .237ba/.385obp/.398slg in his last season at age 36. Pujols hit .268ba/.323obp/.457slg last season (age 36).



Attached is a screen shot of Pujols' and Mantle's age 30-36 seasons. Though there is a slight edge to Mantle, Pujols is very comparable.

The only issue I have with that comparison is that Mantle's last years were during an era of dominant pitching. Of course Pujols has additional challenges in this day and age that offset this a bit.

I think Griffey is a decent modern comparison- does Albert go in the clubhouse for a snooze during the game or is that still a couple of years off yet?

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by bdk1976

The only issue I have with that comparison is that Mantle's last years were during an era of dominant pitching. Of course Pujols has additional challenges in this day and age that offset this a bit.

I think Griffey is a decent modern comparison- does Albert go in the clubhouse for a snooze during the game or is that still a couple of years off yet?

If you use wRC+ it accounts for era, league and park.

Pujols last 5 years (with 100 being avg)

112,123,115,111, 74

Mantle's age 33-37 years

176,136,166,149,145

dude was still a beast at the end!

[cardsfan73]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

ok, don't blame Pujols. He has .233 Batting avg., a .374 slugging average, his WAR is -1.2 (thats NEGATIVE 1.2). And the only category he has ever led while an Angel is GDP, grounded into double plays. And all this batting in a choice and important spot in the lineup and behind Trout. Yup, give me a team full of Pujols' and we would be in the playoff hunt. Just frustrated.

So what your saying is Pujols should have turned down the contract and he needs to stop forcing your manager to stop playing him all the time and placing him in an impact spot in the line up? Got it.

Serious man, do you not get it? Pujols is not the problem w/ the Angels. The entire organization is the problem w/ the Angels! Sure it's nice to have a scapegoat, but your team has bigger problems than Albert! Bench Albert and the Angels still suck.

It would be like me blaming Dexter Fowler for all of the Cardinals problems this year. Do I think they paid to much for him? Sure do, but I also see the bigger issues with the team that have nothing to do with him. We take Fowler out of the line up and we still have poor defense, poor base running and a piss poor bullpen. Don't even get me started on our block head manager. Some of the blame goes to our ex Gm (now team president) for putting together this sub par team too.

I get it, your pissed your team over paid for a declining super star. You want Albert to do at age 37 what he did during the first 11 years of his career. This just wasn't going to happen. The Cardinals knew that but they still made a substantial offer to him. Thankfully good Ol' Arte Moreno came out and offered him even more and saved my team from that albatross of a contract.



On the bright side at least Albert is getting paid and playing, unlike Josh Hamilton who the Angels are paying $26 Million this year!

Should I even bring up the $9 Millions Cameron Maybin is being paid, the $5million that Danny Espinosa (who was also cut) is making.. $9million for Huston Street? $12million for Ricky Nolasco?

About the only team with a worse farm system than the Angels right now is the Royals.. but to their credit they at least sold the farm to reach 2 World Series & win one of them!

Yep, it's all Alberts fault the Angels suck