Help with a Mantle

[mr2686]

Wait a minute...the worlds not flat? What next, there's no Santa? LOL

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Wait a minute...the worlds not flat? What next, there's no Santa? LOL

nope. No Easter bunny either

[chaddurbin]

i find it amusing that non-auto guys would go to this section to find their entertainment or belittle it w/o knowing jack about signatures.

i had the prewar cards bug for many years (still do), and there is a little learning curve with the cut and coloring and variations, but after awhile you can pretty much distinguish between a trim job or an oven-baked reprint from the gallery picture w/o even clicking into the ebay auction.

autographs is a whole different animal with all the nuances and characteristics and styles...we're talking about thousands upon thousands of different types that could take 2-3 lifetimes to study vs the limited amount of cards/sets. i appreciate and have much more respect for the guys over here than the endless is this real or psa suck sgc bad thread #125...the ironic part is without the tpa at least half the people on the main board wouldn't know how to buy while we'd be doing fine over here if alphabet companies are gone.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

nope. No Easter bunny either

Will this madness never end?

[frankbmd]

I'm sitting here in my recliner with an authentic autographed ball sitting on my gut. Not sure how long I need to wait, but so far my gut is silent.

[Lordstan]

Mike,
Newsflash: No Tooth Fairy

Frank,
We have meds for that issue

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in my recliner with an authentic autographed ball sitting on my gut. Not sure how long I need to wait, but so far my gut is silent.

This might help.


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[shelly]

My question is why are you guys even answering him.You are writing full pages of arguments and he is laughing at you.

[Lordstan]

Shelly,
I agree.
As I said in one of my replies, I wrote my points for those silent members who only read and don't comment. I don't want his opinion to become a source of misinformation for those less experienced. The idea that autograph opinions are arbitrary and dubious, like his, do create a negative spin on auto collecting. Opinions in auto collecting are no different than any other subject in life. If you want to know about Black holes, opinions from Astrophysicists carry more weight than those of a Social Worker(no offense to social workers. just needed an example as far away from physics as possible). I try to educate correctly that autos, like all collectibles, do have risk, but can be made safer by study and careful consideration.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Shelly,
I agree.
As I said in one of my replies, I wrote my points for those silent members who only read and don't comment. I don't want his opinion to become a source of misinformation for those less experienced. The idea that autograph opinions are arbitrary and dubious, like his, do create a negative spin on auto collecting. Opinions in auto collecting are no different than any other subject in life. If you want to know about Black holes, opinions from Astrophysicists carry more weight than those of a Social Worker(no offense to social workers. just needed an example as far away from physics as possible). I try to educate correctly that autos, like all collectibles, do have risk, but can be made safer by study and careful consideration.

and many of us are fairly specialized in our collecting (I ONLY collect Braves autos for example and aside from the few of the big stars, only the autos of players from the teams of the 70's to today) this has made it easier to learn MY area as it isn't cost effective for fakers to peddle common player autos to make $8 so I have spent a lot of time looking at Aaron's Matthews, Spahn's Chipper...etc to the point where I feel I could spot a fake right away (with the lone exception of a recent Aaron as they are so messy I think you could fake one in person nearly and it could pass).

Like you said, I wouldn't ask me for my Mantle opinion, but for others who have seen hundreds+ of them, why shouldn't their opinion count? I know if there was a new guy popping in here with questions on some Braves stuff I would do my best to help, even if that help only amounts to "shrug, looks good to me"

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Shelly,
I agree.
As I said in one of my replies, I wrote my points for those silent members who only read and don't comment. I don't want his opinion to become a source of misinformation for those less experienced. The idea that autograph opinions are arbitrary and dubious, like his, do create a negative spin on auto collecting. Opinions in auto collecting are no different than any other subject in life. If you want to know about Black holes, opinions from Astrophysicists carry more weight than those of a Social Worker(no offense to social workers. just needed an example as far away from physics as possible). I try to educate correctly that autos, like all collectibles, do have risk, but can be made safer by study and careful consideration.

My opinion could never become a source of misinformation because it is accurate. Autograph authentication is nothing more than opinion and the only guarantee that anything is real is if you see the person sign it. Where is the misinformation?

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

My opinion could never become a source of misinformation because it is accurate. Autograph authentication is nothing more than opinion and the only guarantee that anything is real is if you see the person sign it. Where is the misinformation?

The issue is that you don't seem to differentiate between the credibility of said "opinions."

The educated opinion of a credible expert is not the same as the opinion of a chat board participant who is basing their opinion on nothing more than a loose set of guidelines and little experience. The opinion of a credible expert, while not a guarantee, does provide a very high level of accuracy.

I don't get the derisive comments about autograph authentication being "only an opinion"... Like everything else in the world is purely scientifically based.

Guess what... The world runs on opinions. A lawyer is offering a legal opinion on how you should proceed. A doctor offers his or her opinion on the best course of treatment. A financial advisor provides you with advice based on his or her opinion. A public relations consultant's strategy is based on his or her opinion. A politician crafts an agenda based on opinion. The guy remodeling your home is going to use his opinion to determine best approach and materials. And on and on...

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by shelly

My question is why are you guys even answering him.You are writing full pages of arguments and he is laughing at you.

Of course. The best way to make your point is to stick your head in the sand at the first sign of differing opinion.