Hey, pennant guys

[doug.goodman]

I need to research what year this one is...

[perezfan]

Rob....

Lots of great stuff there! Nice pickups... the '51 Double-scroll All Star Pennant is super rare, and nothing screams early '50s quite like that Navy Pennant. LOVE those graphics.

As for the MLB logo first appearing on pennants.... it was the beginning of the end (in terms of quality and artistry). The year was most definitely 1969, as Rob noted.

The NFL and AFL logos appeared earlier than that. It was mid-'60s... I want to say 1964-65, but may need to research that a bit further in order to pinpoint.

Lastly.... for those of us who are old enough, that free-swinging Batter could also have been Manny Sanguillen (the best bad-ball hitter I can remember as a kid). He swung at everything, and was always the toughest guy in the league to walk, haha. He swung at even more bad balls than Vlad, but with a far lower success rate.

[perezfan]

Regarding that Black/Orange NYG Pennant.... most on ebay right now are repros. Its the softness of the felt that will be the giveaway.... not the color of the tassels.

It should have the good thick soft wool felt that is pliable and bendable (almost limp). If you can slide it into one of those rigid hard plastic pennant covers with relative ease.... it's likely the repro version. Also, the real ones are more of a muted burnt orange than a vibrant bright orange. Hope that helps!

[perezfan]

The NFL / AFL Logos on pennants date back to at least 1962....

Pictured below are two that I was able to find rather quickly....

* 1963 Detroit Lions Picture Pennant with the "NFL Shield" Logo

* 1960-62 Raiders Pennant with Gold/Black colors (the Raiders switched to Silver/Black in 1963)

There are quite a few other examples from the early 60s... but these two provide some concrete evidence.

[Fballguy]

Thanks for the replies and info Mark!

I don't know how it's possible but I never noticed the logo on those earlier pennants. For the NFL logo, I always picture the single bar helmet pennants. Funny thing is I used to own that Raiders pennant and never made the connection to 1962 for the AFL logo. I guess I need to spend more time looking at my own pennants. I might learn something.

I'm pretty convinced my Giants pennant is the real deal. It passes all the tests and I forgot to mention it is a different shade of orange than the repros I have.

[ooo-ribay]

FWIW - my Keezer NY Giants:

[perezfan]

Rob/Rob...

Now that's the thick felt and "burnt orange" color I tried to describe. I can tell by the "grainy" texture of the felt, that one is good!

[erikc21]

I am VERY new to the pennant collection community and mine are not remotely as rare and cool as many listed, but here are the few I have so far (I just received the Boston one in the mail (folded) this week...

There is an amazing amount of knowledge and variety with this group!

[erikc21]

Not your 'typical' collection I admit, but being from Minnesota originally I have sought out to collect a pennant of every MN team i can get my hands one

[ooo-ribay]

Welcome, Erik! Your Boston pennant is interesting to me because I have 10+ different SF Giants pennants with that exact same guy....but in EVERY case, he is facing the other way, as shown.

[perezfan]

Welcome Erik...

Great stuff... your NY Giants pennant is interesting to me. I have never seen it with white felt and red graphics. Normally it's the reverse (white on red).

Very cool

[JMEnglish27]

Have any of you ever seen this? Picked these up today. Yes, that's printed tape on the NFC one denoting a location change.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by erikc21

I am VERY new to the pennant collection community and mine are not remotely as rare and cool as many listed, but here are the few I have so far (I just received the Boston one in the mail (folded) this week...

There is an amazing amount of knowledge and variety with this group!

Erik,
Those are all very nice pennants and for the most part in great condition. Buy what you think is cool and affordable. It's easy to get caught up in Mark's collection, but not as easy to go up against.

BTW, you are missing a Minneapolis Millers (if you consider Mpls the same as Minnesota) baseball pennant which are occasionally available, but sometimes in the $100 plus range in good shape. Those are mainly from the 50's and earlier though.

[bocca001]

Here is a Millers pennant.

[Fballguy]

Really like the white Giants pennant. I have the reverse version which Mark describes.

Cool Pro Bowl Pennants. I have the NFC one (without Seattle note). It was sold as a 1972 Pro Bowl Pennant, though not sure how one would know that that unless they bought it at the game. The Pro Bowl was in L.A. for 2+ decades. Mine is a softer felt than I would expect for 1972. My other pennants of that era are stiffer than this...ie the 1967 single bar pennants. With no date on it, no way to know for sure.

Did some Pro Bowl research when I picked it up and being a Rams fan, was particularly interested in the 1969 game. Roman Gabriel was offensive MVP and Merlin Olsen was defensive MVP. The final score: 10-7

That was back when it was still a football game and fun to watch...though I was only 2....and not the unwatchable "exhibition" it's become today...with 62 to 35 final scores designed to attract kids, women and lukewarm football fans.