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[Duluth Eskimo]

Apparently this guy removed the bulk of his description after I posted this. I would be disappointed if this thief is a member here. Here is what it said.

Supreme Court Delivers Blow

To Autograph Authentication!




High Court ruling sides with Forensic Document Examiners as Experts rather than practical experience.




(March 23, 1999: Gumbo Tire Co. v. Carmichael) The U.S. Supreme Court by an 8-1 ruling told federal trial judges to screen out dubious testimony by self-proclaimed experts when opinions are not based in science. The ruling extends to all manners of individuals such as engineers, psychologists, accountants or handwriting analysts. Before they are permitted to testify to juries, stated examiners must show that their opinions are based on "scientific principals,"

and not just a hunch based on self-described practical experience.

The high court has shown a skepticism toward hired self-proclaimed experts. Six years ago, the Supreme Court said that lower courts should act as "gatekeepers" and to carefully examine testimony by these applicants. Judges should look beyond advertised qualifications and examine the basis of their conclusions on facts.




What does this mean to the industry?

The decision delivers a major blow to the autograph industry. For years, dealers have served as their own authenticators relying on their stated experience to render an autograph authentic or not. Their reputation and experience have been readily accepted by collectors, auction houses and other dealers. Unfortunately, their opinions are not based on "scientific methods" and can be very subjective. They do not have a laboratory and have not apprenticed under anyone trained. Many fabricate their credentials and are clearly not Court Qualified and/or Board Certified. Their opinions are based solely on their self proclaimed experience.




What does this mean to the collector?

Simple, if a dealer-authenticated autograph is disputed and taken to court it will not hold up unless the dealer used scientific forensic techniques. Without credentials and facts the dealer will not be allowed to testify because they are not considered experts by the court. You, the collector, will be left hanging. The federal courts will rely on established Court Qualified & Board Certified Forensic Document Examiners as their experts

[RichardSimon]

That bullsh-- has been around for years on many ads and web sites.
IMO it is ALWAYS a red flag.
In this case it is just more bullsh-- from Florida.
And what the hell is a "court recognized exemplar file?" They actually use those words in the COA. There is no such thing.
Sounds like just some bullsh-- "alternative facts" to me.

[bnorth]

That seller has been posted about before on here for the same stuff.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

That bullsh-- has been around for years on many ads and web sites.
IMO it is ALWAYS a red flag.
In this case it is just more bullsh-- from Florida.
And what the hell is a "court recognized exemplar file?" They actually use those words in the COA. There is no such thing.
Sounds like just some bullsh-- "alternative facts" to me.

Richard,
It sounds like you're just jealous that you can't use "dealer uses scientific forensic techniques".

Sad thing is that this garbage continues to get bids and people assume that eBay's feedback system is protecting them. I know it's old news, but I thought this was over the top by quoting the Supreme Court. Can't make it up

[thetruthisoutthere]

Delusional Ebay autograph collectors continue to buy this "Florida" crap.

Ebay seller Sportspic4u is one of approximately a dozen Ebay sellers who have direct access to this garbage.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roger-Maris-...p2047675.l2557






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