Jumbo Wags back up for sale...the history of the card.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by TCMA

The missing piece in all of this is... what happened to those other cards? Why didn't my dad buy all of them? Was he out of cash? Were they gone by the time he got there? Anything is possible but I don't believe he would have passed on them completely had they been there. Without a doubt he knew several other collectors at the time who would have been interested in them. I'm sure he would have tried to broker a deal.

I know he wrote down his offer for the Jumbo in his notebook but there's no mention of other cards at all or of other offers. It's a mystery.

Maybe he did buy them but had a buyer lined up. So he quickly purchased them and sold them no biggie. Or the lady didn't except his offer. How knows ? I wonder if the mainstream media knows about this yet ?

[GasHouseGang]

We should probably add a pic of the letter offering the Wagner so when it disappears off that website it will still be here.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Maybe he did buy them but had a buyer lined up. So he quickly purchased them and sold them no biggie. Or the lady didn't except his offer. How knows ? I wonder if the mainstream media knows about this yet ?

I know for a fact he definitely did not buy any other cards from the woman other than the Jumbo. It could be that she was mistaken about what the other cards were but I'm not convinced of that. She knew enough to know that the Wagner, Plank, Lajoie were the coveted cards.

Just speculating here but based on what she claimed was in her collection I wonder if it's possible her grandfather worked in one of the factories. During the 1909 - 1911 period her father would have been just a kid.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by TCMA

I know for a fact he definitely did not buy any other cards from the woman other than the Jumbo. It could be that she was mistaken about what the other cards were but I'm not convinced of that. She knew enough to know that the Wagner, Plank, Lajoie were the coveted cards.

Just speculating here but based on what she claimed was in her collection I wonder if it's possible her grandfather worked in one of the factories. During the 1909 - 1911 period her father would have been just a kid.

Anything is possible, but I would doubt this. The grandfather had no way of predicting what the cards mentioned in the letter would turn out to be - and although we haven't and will not see images of the Plank, and we don't know if she had any other T206s, judging by the Jumbo it doesn't look like scrap. Nor, a few decades later how the Lajoie would turn out. It's possible he was in touch with other private collectors in the late 50s or sixties, or when brief hobby mimeographs began circulating and also the trade pubs were beginning to come out(?). Would be nice to know the family's surname. Did the letter happen to come in an envelope with a return address?

Anyway, it's a great mystery and thanks for sharing the story!

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Paul S

It's possible he was in touch with other private collectors in the late 50s or sixties, or when brief hobby mimeographs began circulating and also the trade pubs were beginning to come out(?). Would be nice to know the family's surname. Did the letter happen to come in an envelope with a return address?

Anyway, it's a great mystery and thanks for sharing the story!

Very possible the father was in touch with other collectors through the trade pubs. I do have the daughter's surname but not her father's surname. It'd take some research but I bet I'd be able to figure it out. Could then scour the very early pubs to see any mention of his name.

[Touch'EmAll]

The Jumbo Wagner closes in 3 days on Saturday Oct. 1. Right now, Wednesday is at $1.9 million. My random crazy guess is ending at $5.5 to $6. million, be shocked if less then $4. million. My question is the (MC) designation - I have only seen severe off center get the (mc) - like (mc) is even worse than (oc). But this card has no (oc) properties, just extra boarder at bottom. Do you think the (mc) is correct for this card?

[swarmee]

Probably gets a higher grade from SGC or BVG. But I don't think that matters to the people buying it. It is one of the best copies of the card there is.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

The Jumbo Wagner closes in 3 days on Saturday Oct. 1. Right now, Wednesday is at $1.9 million. My random crazy guess is ending at $5.5 to $6. million, be shocked if less then $4. million. My question is the (MC) designation - I have only seen severe off center get the (mc) - like (mc) is even worse than (oc). But this card has no (oc) properties, just extra boarder at bottom. Do you think the (mc) is correct for this card?

Guess you are shocked as it sold for 3.185M.....still a tidy sum but for many below expectations..

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Guess you are shocked as it sold for 3.185M.....still a tidy sum but for many below expectations..

Unrealistic expectations. The ~50% increase in a few years should have been expected. A 150-200% or more increase would be the shock.

[Cooptown]

Originally Posted by TCMA

Very possible the father was in touch with other collectors through the trade pubs. I do have the daughter's surname but not her father's surname. It'd take some research but I bet I'd be able to figure it out. Could then scour the very early pubs to see any mention of his name.

Andrew - the article posted refers to a card shop your Dad owned in Cooperstown. Do you remember the name of the shop, where it was located in the village, and the years it was open? I grew up an hour away from Heaven....errr, I mean Cooperstown and frequented it a lot.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Cooptown

Andrew - the article posted refers to a card shop your Dad owned in Cooperstown. Do you remember the name of the shop, where it was located in the village, and the years it was open? I grew up an hour away from Heaven....errr, I mean Cooperstown and frequented it a lot.

Absolutely, the name of the store is Baseball Nostalgia. In-fact it's still open and operated by Pete Henrici, who is still partners with my father in regards to the store. I believe the store opened in 1974 and has been going ever since. It was the first all-baseball shop in town.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Cooptown

where it was located in the village

In the early years it was right next to the batting range, steps away from home plate at Doubleday Field. In the late 80's or early 90's they moved across the Doubleday Field parking lot next to the laundromat.

[Cooptown]

Originally Posted by TCMA

In the early years it was right next to the batting range, steps away from home plate at Doubleday Field. In the late 80's or early 90's they moved across the Doubleday Field parking lot next to the laundromat.

Oh my gosh....I know exactly what you are talking about!!!! As a kid, I used to love that store and bought a bunch of old programs, HOF induction cards, etc. from it. It was always very reasonably priced for a kid on a budget. I remember the store next to the batting cages had walls full of 8x10s of both current players and HOFers that I loved looking at.

I still always visit Baseball Nostalgia during my annual trip during HOF weekend. There are certain places where the smells never change from your childhood and elicit an amazing flood of great memories. That store is one of them for me.