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View Poll Results: What old baseball stat do you find the most overrated? | |||
Pitchers Wins |
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27 | 40.91% |
Batting avg |
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3 | 4.55% |
RBI's |
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2 | 3.03% |
Saves |
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28 | 42.42% |
Hits |
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0 | 0% |
other (please explain the one and why) |
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6 | 9.09% |
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll |
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"Maybe a small part of it is that he hasn't yet obviously had the usual end of career decline,"
That's a lot of it. It also helps that Trout is good at everything. He's a great hitter, a great base runner, and, well, an average-ish fielder. Trout has been in the big league for four full seasons. Year All-time WAR rank (position players only) 2012 22nd 2013 100th 2014 292nd 2015 87th 2016 212th (so far) If he keeps up his current pace his 2016 season will be worth 9.8 WAR, tied with Ty Cobb (1909), Nap Lajoie (1910), Ron Santo (1967), Larry Walker 1997), and George Sisler (1920), for 63rd best position player season of all time. That's really, really impressive. This will be fun. Some hall of famers and where their best season ranks all-time among position players: Ruth 1 Yastrzemski 3 Hornsby 5 Gehrig 7 Ripken 11 (tie) Wagner 11 (tie) Cobb 14 (tie) Mantle 14 (tie) Mays 16 Musial 18 Morgan 19 Williams 21 That's all of the hall of fame position players who have had a season better than Trout's best. The only non-HOF player with a season better than Trout is Bonds. Let's keep the list going a bit (and add non-HOF players). Collins 30 Foxx 30 Yount 30 Boudreau 37 ARod 37 Sosa 41 Banks 44 Rosen 48 Speaker 48 Petrocelli 52 Harper 56 Henderson 56 Trout's best season is better than any season Jimmie Foxx, or anybody else on this list, ever put up. Let's skip down a few spots. Carew 68 Griffey 68 Pujols 68 J. Robinson 68 Schmidt 68 Jackson 76 Beltre 82 If Trout keeps up his current pace for the rest of the year he'll have two seasons worth more WAR than these guys. Aaron 87 Biggio 87 Brett 87 Turner 87 As it stands he's already got two seasons better than any season these guys put together. It'll be three if keeps up his present pace for the rest of the year. Baker 100 Heilmann 100 Snider 100 Cash 107 Frisch 107 Giambi 107 Rolen 107 Vaughn 107 He's already got three seasons as good or better than these guys' best. It'll be four if he keeps up his present pace. And remember after this season he'll only have five full years in the big leagues. And that one season from Trout that's not turning up on these lists? That's the year that he won the MVP award. He hasn't had his decline phase yet, and that will pull his rates down. But Trout is really super historically good. He is often compared to Mantle, but by WAR Trout leads Mantle in age 20, 21, and 22. They were basically tied at age 23. It's not until Mantle's age 24 season that he posted a WAR more than marginally higher than Trout will at the same age (this is Trout's age 24 season). |
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