Most over-valued card

[JustinD]

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[the 'stache]

Again, respectfully, I have to disagree. Strongly. And I don't own the card.

Mantle is one of the ten greatest offensive players in the annals of Major League Baseball. He was the star for the most successful professional franchise in American sports history, in the biggest metropolitan area in America, at a time when television was exploding, and that team was still winning World Championships. Every kid in America wanted to be the Mick. Fathers named their kids after him. Women threw themselves at him. The Commerce Comet was ripped, charming, if not a little soft spoken initially, and looked like a movie star.

Take all those factors, and then consider that the biggest baseball card company of them all, Topps, made its major set debut in 1952. The 1952 Topps set is to vintage what the T206 set is to pre-war. And Mantle's card was the set's lynchpin.

Oh, and it was short-printed.

Originally Posted by JustinD

Logic completely dictates it would be the double printed 1952 topps Mantle.

Not even the true rookie and should be valued in the same range as the 51 bowman. Yes, those that have them will say no, but there is nothing but hype supporting those values and that is most certainly not a foundation of stone to hold up investment.

[pcoz]

Mantle was an iconic figure and his 52T legendary for the hobby, but there are 2000 graded and over 11000 rumored to be printed...11k!!! If a 7 Mantle goes for 225-250k, then the Ruth RC in a PSA 7 coming in Heritage should be 750k, with probably 75-80 Ruth's graded(some crossed). Clemente's RC is insane too, how can a PSA 8 which was 12k two years ago now go for what a Ruth PSA 4 goes for, 150k!!!! I'm a pre-war guy and have a Ruth, with no interest in the Mantle, so I'm a little biased, but I'm trying to be logical. I'm just astounded that the post war cards that are in tremendous supply are going for these INSANE prices. Can't imagine there are that many more who don't have one already going to bid up cards with populations in the thousands for years to come. Great for the hobby if it happens!

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Oh, and it was short-printed.

That would depend on your perspective.

The high series sheet did have a lower print run, however there are three double printed cards on that sheet: mantle, J. robinson and bobby Thomson.

I still stand by it, there simply are hundreds of more difficult cards to own and several even of Mick. The Dice Game card should be worth twice the 52 by logic. The 52 is a hype machine because of its draw to non collectors that buy them as investments and investors are a fickle crowd.

Yes, it has always held value and should for that icon reason, not for rarity. But 10s of thousands I will not scoff at. hundreds of thousands? Ridiculous.

[ullmandds]

Any "modern" rookie card.

[Rookiemonster]

The current prices for Clemente make him my answer .

[Econteachert205]

Rare back 06's. I personally care mostly about the front of the card, as in who is on it. Why a common with a rare back should bring 4-5 figures, I do not know.

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Rare back 06's. I personally care mostly about the front of the card, as in who is on it. Why a common with a rare back should bring 4-5 figures, I do not know.

BINGO.
Don't understand and will never understand the "Back-game" with T-206's.

Having said that I have a lennox and a CB with common players on the front.

I've always thought that I need to cash those in for some star players...

When you're showing your cards off.... a t206 with Oscar Stanage and a lennox back.... doesn't quite play as well as a Red Cobb portrait or a Mickey Mantle etc. etc.

[the 'stache]

Just curious as to why?

That base Trout Chrome card I posted-there are less than 2,000 of them in existence-1,695 if Topps has stayed consistent with the number of base chrome autos that were issued in 2004 (and it should be consistent; all the other numbers remain constant but blue, which has increased from /150 to /250). The refractor auto has a printing of /500. The blue refractor auto is limited to /250. The gold is /50, the orange is /25, the red is /5, and there's a /1 superfractor out there. That means, in total, there are about 2,526 autographed true Mike Trout rookie cards with his certified auto.

For how popular he is, that's a pretty short print run for all of baseball fans and collectors to fight over.

The non-autographed cards don't typically command anywhere near that kind of a price. For instance, this Bryce Harper is considered one of his most desirable non-auto releases. A Beckett 9.5/10 goes for under $300, last I checked. An ungraded one goes for under $100, unless it's dead centered.



This one was selling for around $1,200 earlier this season with Harper's hot start. It's dropped back down to about $8-900, and this is an exceptionally high grade card with all 9.5 subs.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Any "modern" rookie card.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Just curious as to why?



That base Trout Chrome card I posted-there are less than 2,000 of them in existence-1,695 if Topps has stayed consistent with the number of base chrome autos that were issued in 2004 (and it should be consistent; all the other numbers remain constant but blue, which has increased from /150 to /250). The refractor auto has a printing of /500. The blue refractor auto is limited to /250. The gold is /50, the orange is /25, the red is /5, and there's a /1 superfractor out there. That means, in total, there are about 2,526 autographed true Mike Trout rookie cards with his certified auto.



For how popular he is, that's a pretty short print run for all of baseball fans and collectors to fight over.



The non-autographed cards don't typically command anywhere near that kind of a price. For instance, this Bryce Harper is considered one of his most desirable non-auto releases. A Beckett 9.5/10 goes for under $300, last I checked. An ungraded one goes for under $100, unless it's dead centered.







This one was selling for around $1,200 earlier this season with Harper's hot start. It's dropped back down to about $8-900, and this is an exceptionally high grade card with all 9.5 subs.

If that's what you like to collect, more power to you, but listing print runs of modern inserts just proves that they are manufactured rarity.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

If that's what you like to collect, more power to you, but listing print runs of modern inserts just proves that they are manufactured rarity.

and there is a very high likelihood that most copies will remain in pristine...as new condition.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I guess it doesn't make a difference how a card got rare, but I've never been a fan of the "artificial" rarity of the modern cards. Printing a card to intentionally make it rare to me is like the Franklin Mint intentionally only making a few of a given crappy collector plate. Sure it's rare, but....

EDIT: What Daryl said....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I guess it doesn't make a difference how a card got rare, but I've never been a fan of the "artificial" rarity of the modern cards. Printing a card to intentionally make it rare to me is like the Franklin Mint intentionally only making a few of a given crappy collector plate. Sure it's rare, but....

EDIT: What Daryl said....

When something is manufactured to be scarce, rare or collectible it sort of takes the shine off of the collecting to me. For those that collect the manufactured rarities, good luck!! You will need it.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Again, respectfully, I have to disagree. Strongly. And I don't own the card.

Mantle is one of the ten greatest offensive players in the annals of Major League Baseball. He was the star for the most successful professional franchise in American sports history, in the biggest metropolitan area in America, at a time when television was exploding, and that team was still winning World Championships. Every kid in America wanted to be the Mick. Fathers named their kids after him. Women threw themselves at him. The Commerce Comet was ripped, charming, if not a little soft spoken initially, and looked like a movie star.

Take all those factors, and then consider that the biggest baseball card company of them all, Topps, made its major set debut in 1952. The 1952 Topps set is to vintage what the T206 set is to pre-war. And Mantle's card was the set's lynchpin.

Oh, and it was short-printed.

I always understood the DP listed next to Mantle, Jackie and Thomson to mean Double Print.

[ALR-bishop]

Raymond--see Justin's post #35. It was a DP card on the sheet but given it was a late summer run and the ocean dumping legend, there may have been fewer sheets for that series

[begsu1013]

i think each and every card mentioned is a qualified candidate, especially the "manufactured rare" cards.

of course, 98% of us will probably be eating our words in the next couple years.

only time will tell.


i did go back and search this forum using key words like:

"top of the market"
"prices"
"insane prices"

and in just about every year* there were threads about what cards were realizing, folks posting it had to be a complete sham or simply utter disbelief.

and most of those prices would be no-brainers and absolute steals now.

dmitri young prices equal an exemplary proving ground.


* not as many during the 07-08 years for obvious reasons.

[steve B]

well, since everyone is going with the whole "manufactured rare" argument, I suppose we can add

33 Goudey Lajoie
R300 Ivy Andrews
US Caramel Lindstrom

And pretty much any other prize winner card.

Sorry, if it applies to one era it must apply to all.


And nobody has mentioned the Wagner yet? Not really hard to get, just hard to afford, just like the 52 Mantle.

Of course, all of those will continue to appreciate reasonably well.

So it all depends on how one figures "overvalued"
To me the Lajoie etc are cards that are probably appropriately valued.
The Wagner and Mantle are worth what they are not because of the card itself, but purely because of demand. What would a T206 common be worth if there were only around 60 known? There's a lot of front back combinations that are much tougher and will never be worth anywhere near what the Wagner is. Likewise, there are twice as many 52 Mantles as any other high number (Except the other two doubleprints) In fact, probably more than double since stars got saved more often. And again, none of the commons or even stars in the high numbers will ever get close.

So I consider them "overvalued" and have for a long time.

Steve B