1954 Topps Aaron RC versus 1955 Topps Clemente RC

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's pretty stunning to think that in my lifetime, below a certain latitude, a person might not be served, or permitted to stay in a hotel, because of their skin color. As late as 1980, I remember stopping at a rural Virginia restaurant after a hiking trip up in the mountains and the place was full of signs making it absolutely clear that blacks were not welcome and that it was only because of Congress and the Supreme Court that the owners were legally required to serve them.

So I agree we need to be pretty careful how we judge people who experienced those things. And I am not saying two wrongs make a right or anything like that.

[Rookiemonster]

Funny I just went through Virginia on a family road trip.the had a gigantic confederate flag flying.


To me if you experienced it and still do it to someone else or a entire group. It multiples it and shows utter disregard .so now Aaron can make death threats to people just because he received
Some.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So I agree we need to be pretty careful how we judge people who experienced those things.

Let's be honest with ourselves what this is about, Peter. It is not a race thing, it is not a black or white thing. It's one political party vilifying another because of their criticism of the president. The same comments have been made by others who are white - Janeane Garofalo, Keith Olberman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Chris Matthews, and the list just goes on and on. What do all those folks have in common? They political views all lean a certain direction. That's why I said in my original post, it's not a race thing (the same thing is said by both black and white people) its about politics. Again, I don't find Aaron a racist, he's just a dumbass. I didn't mean to make this a political issue, I'm just responding to the comments in post #25.

[Peter_Spaeth]

David, I agree, unfortunately our politics are incredibly divisive these days, and seemingly getting even worse. I imagine that for most people, whichever way they lean, it's a terrible disappointment. But the politicians don't, for the most part, get the message.

[Leon]

We won't get political (please) but on a non partisan observation, from what I have seen in the polls the large majority of Americans think neither of the presumptive nominees are anything to write home about, at best. It does suck for America imo....

[stargell1]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I get that aaron had it hard but he is a American .imagine how hard clemente must of had it .I'm sure he got it pretty bad as well . I don't remember ever hearing about him getting racist with people .nothing gives you the right to be racist . TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

I agree with everything you said except for Aaron had it hard. I wouldn't call being blessed with the ability to get rich and famous playing a game for a living..hard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by stargell1

I agree with everything you said except for Aaron had it hard. I wouldn't call being blessed with the ability to get rich and famous playing a game for a living..hard.

You should have quit while you were behind. I suggest you do some reading about his life. Having the ability to play baseball did not insulate him from bigotry. For example, how many crosses did the Klan burn in your front yard? How many death threats have you received?

[stargell1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You should have quit while you were behind. I suggest you do some reading about his life. Having the ability to play baseball did not insulate him from bigotry. For example, how many crosses did the Klan burn in your front yard? How many death threats have you received?

If I was able to be rich by not having to work and be famous, I wouldn't give a damn how many death threats I received.

That's like saying ' I want to be President of the U.S. but I don't want to wear a tie and receive all the hate mail. lol

Quit making excuses for ignorance. Hate is Hate!!

[Vintagevault13]

Originally Posted by stargell1

If I was able to be rich by not having to work and be famous, I wouldn't give a damn how many death threats I received.



That's like saying ' I want to be President of the U.S. but I don't want to wear a tie and receive all the hate mail. lol



Quit making excuses for ignorance. Hate is Hate!!

I would hate to think that the amount of money one has would ever cause a person to not worry about death threats against themself or family members. That is basically saying that money is the most important thing. I would lose respect for a person putting money ahead of family much more quickly than for making the comments that Aaron said.


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[ullmandds]

wow...lots of ignorance being spewn here lately.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And Richard Cory one calm summer night
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

[ALR-bishop]

Roger just seems to be looking for an argument on this subject. Ignore him until he has some worthwhile input on cards here or pre war

Roger-- tell us what you collect. This is not meant to be sarcastic. Let's find some common ground

[stargell1]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

wow...lots of ignorance being spewn here lately.

Its called 'white guilt.'

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And Richard Cory one calm summer night
Went home and put a bullet through his head.

My dad introduced me to that poem when I was very young. I have no idea why.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

My dad introduced me to that poem when I was very young. I have no idea why.

Perhaps to teach you that money doesn't buy happiness or peace of mind? It's one of the more eloquent statements of that truth.

[HRBAKER]

Lots of talented mind readers here.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by rats60

Aaron has a negative 4.8 defensive WAR. Aaron and Mays are not very pleasant people. I think that really hurts the value of their cards.

That's an interesting take.

[toppcat]

I agree that a player being a dick can hurt card values.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by Leon

We won't get political (please) but on a non partisan observation, from what I have seen in the polls the large majority of Americans think neither of the presumptive nominees are anything to write home about, at best. It does suck for America imo....

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by toppcat

I agree that a player being a dick can hurt card values.

I agree, I was referencing the WAR portion of the post. Doubt a whole lot the card buyers have a clue what the player's WAR is. Could be wrong.

I think it was referenced in an earlier post about the "iconic" nature of Clemente as opposed to Aaron. I also think the "Dying Young" portion of the equation cannot be overlooked as a major contributor to the value. It's the same thing that makes James Dean regarded as a better actor than he was and Kennedy as a President as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I agree, I was referencing the WAR portion of the post. Doubt a whole lot the card buyers have a clue what the player's WAR is. Could be wrong.

I think it was referenced in an earlier post about the "iconic" nature of Clemente as opposed to Aaron. I also think the "Dying Young" portion of the equation cannot be overlooked as a major contributor to the value. It's the same thing that makes James Dean regarded as a better actor than he was and Kennedy as a President as well.

I agree. It definitely resonates in the American psyche. "The time you won your town the race...."