pete, the request for any sort of proof thread?

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Find your own sources, if you truly don't know already what is happening, which I suspect you do. Read what Justin wrote and take it from there. Or don't.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

please copy and paste...

to spout "read what justin has wrote"

w/o so much as a link is as vague as all your other comments...

The thread started by kickitup, on the front page.
This is a small hobby, dominated by guys who like to talk. My guess is you know some of the same people I do and they would tell you, I am sure you carry far more weight with them than I do.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Whatever you say, you know best.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

exactly.

not in the context of what i know is best, but to the fact of just another random quote w/o any bearing to the debate.

i'll play your game:

new conspiracy alert:

there is a group of conspiracy theorists trying to convince everyone that there is a conspiracy going on so they can drive prices back down to 1996 and then they can buy everything up!

it's true because a card in the hand is worth two in the bush! i swear.

read what peter wrote.


this IS fun. i didn't know we could just go around blabbing statements w/o any proof whatsoever!

jackie robinson was white!!!

You are the man. I feel SO much better now that you have set me straight. Thanks, and nice cards!!

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I am not betraying confidential sources, or debating the topic. I am free to express my views and you are free to disagree, or taunt me, as you wish. Finis.

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[Stonepony]

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[botn]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

purely for this thread only and to put myself in your boat:

i sold one of my rose psa 9s about 6 months ago for $35k. now that this sh!t is a $80K+ card, do i think there is any freaking way i could get one back @ $40K?

absolutely not.

and it certainly isn't bc of some damn conspiracy.

get over it!

edit: and now im finished, until you can actually state something worth while vs hiding behind informants and whimsical nonfactual nonsense.

I think it is entirely possible, based on what I know, that you will be able to buy it back for less than 40K.

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Was just talking about this topic with a buddy/collector. We were saying the simple fact is that prices are rising, and some guys are just bitter and angry over it. Bitter and angry because they either...

A) Can't afford the card(s) they want.

B) Didn't pony up in the past, for whatever reason.

C) Sold their cards in the past, and can't move on/let it go.

This anger and bitterness colors lots of posts and theories. It is really nothing more than that.

Some human beings will complain when it is raining and when it is sunny. They are the unhappy ones.

The happy ones don't care if a baseball card goes up a few thousand dollars. Just build a collection you love looking at. The old K.I.S.S. principle.

[botn]

Originally Posted by MetsBaseball1973

Was just talking about this topic with a buddy/collector. We were saying the simple fact is that prices are rising, and some guys are just bitter and angry over it. Bitter and angry because they either...

A) Can't afford the card(s) they want.

B) Didn't pony up in the past, for whatever reason.

C) Sold their cards in the past, and can't move on/let it go.

This anger and bitterness colors lots of posts and theories. It is really nothing more than that.

Some human beings will complain when it is raining and when it is sunny. They are the unhappy ones.

The happy ones don't care if a baseball card goes up a few thousand dollars. Just build a collection you love looking at. The old K.I.S.S. principle.

None of the above for me. This is a great time to be a dealer. Never been a better time, actually.

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

and you both seem happy, right?

and greg, you have my paypal addy, ill be waiting on that $40k invoice....

I don't think I would have to charge you nearly that much Bob but just hang tight. I could certainly be wrong, won't be the first time, but I am pretty confident.

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

purely for this thread only and to put myself in your boat:

i sold one of my rose psa 9s about 6 months ago for $35k. now that this sh!t is a $80K+ card, do i think there is any freaking way i could get one back @ $40K?

absolutely not.

and it certainly isn't bc of some damn conspiracy.

get over it!

edit: and now im finished, until you can actually state something worth while vs hiding behind informants and whimsical nonfactual nonsense.

One hell of a rant Bob. I noticed your in pharmaceuticals. Did you not get your refill today?

Conspiracy or not, prices are absurdly off the charts for some cards. If these prices are for real, I'm excited, because my net worth just got a healthy "bump".

I don't see how this is sustainable. Justin "retractor" Cornett admitted he manipulates bids, and his ebay username confirms those practices. He is probably one of many doing the same thing.

If the PSA 8 Rose Rookie prices hold up for the next few years, I'd be shocked, but not disappointed.

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

ill play the futures game w ya...just for fun!

6 months to sell me a centered rose 9

and if not a call of $xxxx paid out?

sounds like fun to me...

I was speaking about the Rose 8, which was a $4,500 card two months ago. Now selling for +/-$16K . I'll wage a dinner at National in Chicago this card is -10% next year.

If it's being manipulated, you win.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MetsBaseball1973

Was just talking about this topic with a buddy/collector. We were saying the simple fact is that prices are rising, and some guys are just bitter and angry over it. Bitter and angry because they either...

A) Can't afford the card(s) they want.

B) Didn't pony up in the past, for whatever reason.

C) Sold their cards in the past, and can't move on/let it go.

This anger and bitterness colors lots of posts and theories. It is really nothing more than that.

Some human beings will complain when it is raining and when it is sunny. They are the unhappy ones.

The happy ones don't care if a baseball card goes up a few thousand dollars. Just build a collection you love looking at. The old K.I.S.S. principle.

I hope you're not talking about me, because I bought the RCs I wanted in the space that's going insane well before this started so the only effect on me is a big (if temporary) spike in what they are worth. Maybe I have posted what I have posted because I know what I am talking about based on reliable information. Then again, you and your collecting buddy sound like you are really in the know so I must be wrong.

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

well why aren't you cashing in on them and then waiting to buy them all back down the road at a fraction of the price?

i mean, seriously?


o, that's right because that wouldn't be the prudent thing to do, but then again you couldn't give away your koufax 7, right?

Simple. I am a collector, if I have a card I like I am keeping it until I decide for reasons other than money to sell, and besides I don't have any of the big ticket stuff in those high grades anyhow.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

i know first hand that is nothing but a bunch of bs, peter.

and you know it.

i have no need to even continue on this debate w/ you after hearing that.

Oh really now you pretend to know what I think? Wow. I am impressed.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

not at all, but i do know how you bargain and deal.

again first hand.

Well of course, who doesn't? What does that have to do with my point? If I buy a card I want to get the best price, and same if I sell it. But that doesn't mean it's only about money. If it were then yeah I would be selling quite a few things for sure at these record prices.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

what i am referring to is not the "buy low, sell high" mentality, peter.

and i'll leave it at that.

My reality has been more buy high sell low.

[Stonepony]

Your turn Bob, then I believe it's Peter's turn again.

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Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the WarRoom

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[botn]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

a fight would indicate both sides are putting up a defense.

I have seen some pretty amazing under 30 second MMA fights.

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

purely for this thread only and to put myself in your boat:

i sold one of my rose psa 9s about 6 months ago for $35k. now that this sh!t is a $80K+ card, do i think there is any freaking way i could get one back @ $40K?

absolutely not.

and it certainly isn't bc of some damn conspiracy.

get over it!

edit: and now im finished, until you can actually state something worth while vs hiding behind informants and whimsical nonfactual nonsense.

IMHO, Bob, you'll be able to get the Rose "9" back within a few years for less than $35 K. You were extremely sharp to sell when you did. I think that what Pete has been saying, as well as numerous others (which I have been largely oblivious to for the last several months due to a veritable avalanche of appellate work), is that the current '50's and '60's market for key cards especially has all of the earmarks of a speculative boom. Various machinations and manipulations have often accompanied such booms. If you want confirmation with regard to what those earmarks are and the fact that the inevitable, ultimate result of such a boom is a bust within a rather short period of time, I suggest you read the writings of the eminent Q. David Bowers on collecting and investing in rare coins, a collectible field which has been organized for about 120 years longer than ours, is quite similar in many respects, and for the most part has already experienced the very same trends--sometimes many times over (just a few examples: TPG, and the ultimate recognition over time of the extreme rarity and desirability of variations, such as different backs in T206, the M101's, and '55 Exhibit Postcard Backs, and the thought expressed several times and often subject to widespread belief that the market was fully priced). Bowers has been involved in coins since he was a teenager in the '50's as a dealer and collector, and is beyond reasonable dispute a well-recognized expert in the field. He has exhaustively studied collecting trends and is frankly the most knowledgeable individual in this area I, as a devoted student of collectible fields, has ever become aware of. Let me end this post this way: Your recent CJ Jackson purchase is likely a lot safer than the supposed value of a PSA 9 Rose!

Best wishes to both of you,

Larry

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

I have seen some pretty amazing under 30 second MMA fights.

I get a cramp trying to itch my back.

[irv]

Interesting article.

http://247wallst.com/investing/2016/...stment-prices/

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Awesome car, did you get to drive it before you sold it?

To Larry, I'm not so sure you can make a direct comparison to the coin market on this case. I know nothing about collecting coins, but cards seem very different in that there are only so many key cards most collectors focus on. Especially for guys like myself who prefer postwar. I do agree these prices, and certainly the growth rate will be impossible to maintain. But it's not like the entire hobby will shift away from HOF rookies. Whatever the reason prices have been moving so much in the last couple of months, I believe they well settle closer to where they are now than where they were before.

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Camaro SS? I haven't driven one of those either but will take your word for it. I'm sure I could have a great time with either but would be much less worried about something going wrong in the Camaro.

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Looks like Peter left you speechless Bob