scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[1952boyntoncollector]

still no half grade fakes yet..

[begsu1013]

i don't know. which is why i asked to be informed.

the orr and bird do have that small 1/8" of what could be considered "tampering" on the left side of the holder, but ive also seen similar marks along w/ spider cracks and things of that sort that come straight from psa.

but usually the compromised holders are near the top corner so they can diagonally insert flip and card in. how could you insert a flip where those 1/8" marks w/o cracking or cause frosting that is more damaging than what is seen.

but that montana. from the scans, i don't think id ever think twice...

edit: again, not witch hunting. just would like to get an answer for protection and to be on the look out.

hell, i'd be happy w/ a vid tutorial on the psa site.

walk us thru each fake, or example there of, on how they are being done...

"this month on spotting the fake..."

[sportscardtheory]

The best was when they said they were going to talk to Joe Orlando to have this thread removed. lol Leon must have got a nice laugh out of that.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

still no half grade fakes yet..

Authentic decimal points are tough to duplicate.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Is it possible that they're not re-seal jobs? Is it possible that fake slabs and flips are being reproduced? Or is it even possible that real slabs are leaving PSA out the backdoor and being sold to the crooks. The pics you posted don't seem to show signs of tampering...and they have the PSA logo in the bottom right corner.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Is it possible that they're not re-seal jobs? Is it possible that fake slabs and flips are being reproduced? Or is it even possible that real slabs are leaving PSA out the backdoor and being sold to the crooks. The pics you posted don't seem to show signs of tampering...and they have the PSA logo in the bottom right corner.

that's why I was asking about authentication thru reholdering.

a reholder fee on $5K is $35.
a review fee is $500 - $700.

I can not imagine they are paying the guy that's reviewing cards @ $700 a pop, the same as the guy that is reholdering at $35 a pop.



people send in cards all the time to be reholdered because they've been dropped, cracked, etc.

are the guys "reholdering" proficient in spotting an altered card/holder?

ie. scammer cracks a case. inserts doctored card, but doesn't necessarily reseal or does a great reseal job and then sends it in to get reholdered?

or buy a few high dollar real cards and slip a doctored one in the bunch?

not saying this IS happening.

but is it possible to slip one past the goalie occasionally?

I was just trying to get an answer but was told that I wouldn't even be talked to by jackie* even though it says "if you would like to discuss w/ me, my number is..."

* side note: and i believe this to be the same jackie that mods the cu board

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

that's why I was asking about authentication thru reholdering.

a reholder fee on $5K is $35.
a review fee is $500 - $700.

I can not imagine they are paying the guy that's reviewing cards @ $700 a pop, the same as the guy that is reholdering at $35 a pop.



people send in cards all the time to be reholdered because they've been dropped, cracked, etc.

are the guys "reholdering" proficient in spotting an altered card/holder?

ie. scammer cracks a case. inserts doctored card, but doesn't necessarily reseal or does a great reseal job and then sends it in to get reholdered?

or buy a few high dollar real cards and slip a doctored one in the bunch?

not saying this IS happening.

but is it possible to slip one past the goalie occasionally?

I was just trying to get an answer but was told that I wouldn't even be talked to by jackie* even though it says "if you would like to discuss w/ me, my number is..."

* side note: and i believe this to be the same jackie that mods the cu board

If that's possible it's a very scary thought. I would hope that even with a reholder someone at PSA would be able to tell if it was an original PSA holder that had not been tampered with or not.

It would be nice if we could get a direct answer from them on this issue but I doubt that will happen.

[ksabet]

Damn I missed the image...can we at least get a PG round about description?

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Damn I missed the image...can we at least get a PG round about description?

He...umm...expressed a desire to make love to a certain part of Bob's body.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

that's why I was asking about authentication thru reholdering.

a reholder fee on $5K is $35.
a review fee is $500 - $700.

I can not imagine they are paying the guy that's reviewing cards @ $700 a pop, the same as the guy that is reholdering at $35 a pop.



people send in cards all the time to be reholdered because they've been dropped, cracked, etc.

are the guys "reholdering" proficient in spotting an altered card/holder?

ie. scammer cracks a case. inserts doctored card, but doesn't necessarily reseal or does a great reseal job and then sends it in to get reholdered?

or buy a few high dollar real cards and slip a doctored one in the bunch?

not saying this IS happening.

but is it possible to slip one past the goalie occasionally?

I was just trying to get an answer but was told that I wouldn't even be talked to by jackie* even though it says "if you would like to discuss w/ me, my number is..."

* side note: and i believe this to be the same jackie that mods the cu board

This topic needs more input. Does PSA review the card during a re-holdering or not? If PSA is not reviewing the card and just re-holdering, what prevents someone from sending in a PSA 9 cracked case, and inserting a PSA 8 in its' place to be "re-holdered"?

I'm not addressing someone inserting a counterfeit card during the re-holder process, just a lesser grade card.

Seems to me PSA needs to change their policy. The re-holder fee must include a verification of original card fee.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Especially where the difference between a 9 and a 10 is mostly illusory anyhow, although the price tag is multiples different. Buy a 9, open it up, print a 10 label, reseal, and reholder.

[Sinker Slider]

The only time I sent in a cracked holder for a reholder, I got an email saying because the case was compromised the card would have to be reviewed for any damage and I was not guaranteed the same grade. I had to respond with an email acknowledging that before they would proceed.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

This topic needs more input. Does PSA review the card during a re-holdering or not? If PSA is not reviewing the card and just re-holdering, what prevents someone from sending in a PSA 9 cracked case, and inserting a PSA 8 in its' place to be "re-holdered"?

I'm not addressing someone inserting a counterfeit card during the re-holder process, just a lesser grade card.

Seems to me PSA needs to change their policy. The re-holder fee must include a verification of original card fee.

I recently sent cards in for a reholder in person in long Beach and was told the cards are not reviewed as long as the holder is not compromised. How much scrutiny the holders get before they are cracked out is the bigger issue. Especially as Bob mentioned if someone sent in a few good ones along with one that had been cracked and resealed.

At least the grade isn't reviewed. I don't know if they inspect the card for authenticity.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I recently sent cards in for a reholder in person in long Beach and was told the cards are not reviewed as long as the holder is not compromised. How much scrutiny the holders get before they are cracked out is the bigger issue. Especially as Bob mentioned if someone sent in a few good ones along with one that had been cracked and resealed.

At least the grade isn't reviewed. I don't know if they inspect the card for authenticity.

Maybe they can tell the resealed ones because they take more than 2 seconds to open. Seriously I would bet the resealed slabs are much harder to open.

[irv]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

just want to make sure there isn't a back door security breach that could/would need to be addressed.

Originally Posted by begsu1013

that sort that come straight from psa.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Is it possible that they're not re-seal jobs? Is it possible that fake slabs and flips are being reproduced? Or is it even possible that real slabs are leaving PSA out the backdoor and being sold to the crooks.

Sounds like more than one thing is a definite possibility?

When Begsu stated, "that come straight from PSA" I immediately thought of a corrupt mailman or post office who might also be in on this?

Endless possibilities I suppose, but it seems more and more clear to me this a network or a collaboration with more than just a couple people.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

still no half grade fakes yet..

Why would those be tougher to fake?