PSA & wrinkles

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I agree with this. In fact, at one time, SGC was stricter on surface wrinkles than PSA. I know when Baker was grading for PSA , he was more lenient on surface wrinkles. Years ago I tried crossing a couple PSA 5's over to SGC and they would not cross due to surface wrinkles. PSA has become more strict over time so I don't doubt they have changed their grading scale descriptions to reflect that. '

I never heard of PSA 5s with wrinkles...PSA 4s arent that common but happen more than i initially realized.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I never heard of PSA 5s with wrinkles...

http://www.psacard.com/Photograde/1/...key-mantle-311

Look at the PSA 5 Mantle and then read PSA's own description which allowed for surface wrinkles.

On a side note, sometimes "creases" and "wrinkles" are used interchangeably. A wrinkle only breaks the surface - either the front or the back - but not both. A crease goes through both surfaces - the front and back.

A PSA 5 can have a surface wrinkle, but shouldn't have a crease.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That's because as a collector, you don't know your head from your butt.

http://www.psacard.com/Photograde/1/...key-mantle-311

Look at the PSA 5 Mantle and then read PSA's own description which allowed for surface wrinkles.

On a side note, sometimes creases and wrinkles are used interchangeably. A wrinkle on breaks the surface - either the front or the back - but not both. A crease goes through both surfaces - the front and back.

A PSA 5 can have a surface wrinkle, but shouldn't have a crease.

PSA website also says a PSA 6 can have a wrinkle...out of the thousands of postings on ebay that are psa6..show me 5 that say there is a wrinkle in the description...nice job with that useful link..hard to find in psa 5 as well

I meant to say hadnt heard before (just like the poster jchcollins ) but know it could....nice insult ...not sure what i said to illicit your kind response..really makes you sound intelligent.....rather be insulted as a collector than as a person...great job

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

http://www.psacard.com/Photograde/1/...key-mantle-311

Thanks for posting the photograde link. I was not aware this existed. Nice for them to actually reference a card in a certain grade and tell why it got the grade it did as an example. Does SCG or Beckett have anything similar?

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I never heard of PSA 5s with wrinkles...PSA 4s arent that common but happen more than i initially realized.

They were the kind of wrinkles that were tough to see unless you tilted the card at an angle under a light source and did not show on the reverse. Tough to see but definitely there. Many of the PSA Mike Baker era 5's will have surface wrinkles. Not all of them, but it's possible for them to be there.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

They were the kind of wrinkles that were tough to see unless you tilted the card at an angle under a light source and did not show on the reverse. Tough to see but definitely there. Many of the PSA Mike Baker era 5's will have surface wrinkles. Not all of them, but it's possible for them to be there.

yeah understood now...what about 6s

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

yeah understood now...what about 6s

I would say in general there won't be a surface wrinkle on a 6. Possibly on the back, not visible on the front, that would otherwise grade an 8 or 9 without the wrinkle.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I would say in general there won't be a surface wrinkle on a 6. Possibly on the back, not visible on the front, that would otherwise grade an 8 or 9 without the wrinkle.

right yet the psa website says a 6 can have a wrinkle....... so just because the psa website says something doesnt mean it happens much...that was my point about the 5s...i never seen one with a wrinkle so pretty rare..despite whatever it says on the psa website

[begsu1013]

top grade possible for surface wrinkle:

if on the front - 5
if on the back - 6

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

top grade possible for surface wrinkle:

if on the front - 5
if on the back - 6

I'll take your word, and that of others in this thread. As a collector I would not be pleased if I purchased a 5 or 6 online to get the card in hand and find a wrinkle on the front or back. Assuming it was not noted in the description or visible in the scans. Personally I don't think such a card deserves more than a 4, but who am I to argue with PSA?