1952 Mantle and 1986 Jordan scam

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...EAAOSwo3pWexKb

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...0AAOSwCypWoKpJ (same guy with 51 Mantle)

OK?

LMAO....anyone who doesn't know should just click on these and the scam is quite easy to see.

[Buythatcard]

Peter, thanks for sharing the link. That's all I was asking for.

Ed, if you are going to take the time out to expose scams, then lay out the evidence. Your response is not what people come here to see.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It is pretty obvious though when someone with 4 feedback out of the blue lists a 51B and 52T Mantle, with weird descriptions.

[ezez420]

Howard, honestly if you or others cant figure it out I cant help. Not to sound rude but dont respond and feel free to bid. You dont have to believe me. But many people on and off here do. You could have done exactly what Peter did but he was nice enough to post. Again not to sound rude but we cant do all of the homework.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Howard, honestly if you or others cant figure it out I cant help. Not to sound rude but dont respond and feel free to bid. You dont have to believe me. But many people on and off here do. You could have done exactly what Peter did but he was nice enough to post. Again not to sound rude but we cant do all of the homework.

and besides if you do all of the homework then we have nothing to cackle about.


and I readily admit I don't always see the issues/fraud at first...

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Howard, honestly if you or others cant figure it out I cant help. Not to sound rude but dont respond and feel free to bid. You dont have to believe me. But many people on and off here do. You could have done exactly what Peter did but he was nice enough to post. Again not to sound rude but we cant do all of the homework.

I don't think this is an issue of "can't figure it out" or belief, what's not to believe? I believe you - just say why you suspect it's fraud/fake. What's so hard about that? It's one link or a sentence instead of several reply posts telling people you don't have time and go bid/figure it out for yourself. Why is it you don't have time for a sentence on why and all the time in the world to reply over and over again w/patronizing comments.

Hell, even Dan McKee will tell you why it's fraud/scam when he alerts.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

....

Hell, even Dan McKee will tell you why it's fraud/scam when he alerts.

ouch

[Buythatcard]

I agree that low feedback might be an obvious sign but not always. There is nothing that says a new seller can't come along to sell their most prized possessions. Not everyone is a regular card seller.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

I agree that low feedback might be an obvious sign but not always. There is nothing that says a new seller can't come along to sell their most prized possessions. Not everyone is a regular card seller.

that new seller would be wise to consign with pwcc or probstein if wanting to sell it on ebay

yeah once in awhile you may have a legit new seller...always an exception then the rule...but its those exceptions that make people bid 100 dollars on beat up mantles that are Reprints i guess..hoping its the pin in the haystack..

[ezez420]

Leon couldn't have said it better.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Leon couldn't have said it better.

This debate has been had many times and a lot of collectors don't realize that some things concerning alterations are better left publicly undisclosed. I will never forget the fake Old Put and E94 Overprint (in an SGC holder no less) being sold on our BST.....at least until I saw them ..... I still have that fake E94. Those cards were pretty good and are good examples of what a good fake would look like. And the tells on one of them are not some I want to denote publicly.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by Leon

LMAO....anyone who doesn't know should just click on these and the scam is quite easy to see.

Yes, certainly - these examples Peter sent are obvious .. and you're talking about a new eBay member with a 4 feedback who was already blocked a number of times. The initial post though didn't show a dupe listing or anything else on the surface that would have been apparent (to me at least) that they were fake/fraud. Then again, I wasn't searching for '52 Mantles or Rookie Jordan's either. If I were and saw dupe listings/different sellers - then obviously that's a different story.

I appreciate your initial reply (Ed) on why you suspected fake/fraud. I don't think anyone is leaching, most just want to understand what triggered your post .. perhaps help in spotting/reporting themselves.