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Old 12-18-2015, 07:11 AM
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Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.

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Old 12-18-2015, 07:43 AM
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Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.
That argument is persuasive to me. And not to detract from it at all, I'll only add that the Goose and Eck were each on the receiving end of the two most dramatic WS homers of the 1980s...both to Kirk Gibson.
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Fingers won 3 world series in a row and was WS MVP, along with CY and MVP during the regular season. Eckersley was CY and MVP as well. Gossage was a feared reliever and a colorful character his whole career and a WS champion.

Hoffman was......a guy who got a lot of saves and never won anything.
Hoffman also is beyond doubt one of the greatest relievers of all time when longevity from a closer is scarce. I know he didn't have the greatest track record, but it's not entirely his fault he never won anything.
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Yes but there aren't very many relievers in the HOF. You need to be the top of the top. I just don't think he ever was. Lee Smith's not in for the same reason.
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Default My reason for no Hoffman

I would keep Hoffman out because was too much of a specialist. If he would be inducted he would have the 3rd fewest IP with 1089.1 over an 18year career. The two lower is Sutter with 1042 in 12 years and Paige with 476. With Paige being in for his Negro League play this would put Hoffman 2nd to only Sutter by 47.1 IP with a difference of 6 years of play.

Over Hoffman's 18 year career he had only 54.1 IP more than games played in. With 23 over games played coming in his RC season. This means that in the 17 following seasons he only had 31.1 more IP than games played.

Even L. Smith had only 1 GS and still recorded 267.1 innings more than games played in an 18 year career.

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Yes but there aren't very many relievers in the HOF. You need to be the top of the top. I just don't think he ever was. Lee Smith's not in for the same reason.
Hoffman was better than Smith.
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Jeff Bagwell
Ken Griffey Jr.
Trevor Hoffman
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling

and because I have a few extra spots:

Nomar Garciaparra
Larry Walker

If I had been on the Veterans Committee:

Sam Breadon
Wes Ferrell
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Now with 99 votes made public accounting for 22% of the ballots it seems clear that the best chance is for the following four still.
Griffey 100% (99) -Only needs to be on 68.1% of the remaining ballots
Piazza 89.9% (89) -Only needs to be on 70.9% of the remaining ballots
Bagwell 83.8% (83) -Only needs to be on 72.6% of the remaining ballots
Raines 80.8% (80) -Only needs to be on 73.5% of the remaining ballots

So these four players can maintain a lower percentage of ballots than they have achieved from the first 99 ballots and they still can make it in.

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