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05-06-2015, 06:52 AM
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No arguments with what has been said. 54-65 Mays was pretty spectacular but his falloff was quick and precipitous.
The awesomeness of Aaron's career was put into perspective last year. They compared Miguel Cabrerra's career through (if I recall correctly) his 31st birthday. He and Hanks numbers were nearly identical. Hank then had a back half of his career that matched his production through the magnificent first half. So, if Cabrera puts up 10 more seasons like the ones he just had, he can live in Bad Henry's neighborhood. What I believe hurts Aaron is the one MVP and one WS. If they hold on and win 58 vs giving up the 3-1 lead. If the don't lose out to the 59 Dodgers at the End of the season, they beat the Go-Go Sox and win 3 in a row. Aaron should have been the 59 MVP and maybe 55 as well. With 3 MVPs and 3 WS champs in the 50s, his legend doesn't sneak up on folks at the end of his career and he is better appreciated in the moment like the other two were.
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05-06-2015, 10:16 AM
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For me, I place a much higher priority on peak value vs longevity. Gimme Sandy Koufax over, say, Don Sutton any day.
Thus, for me, the pick is Mickey Mantle. His peak was a lot higher than the other two. And it wasn't a short peak either. I mean, we're talking a guy who put up OPS+ numbers of 137 or higher every single season of his career outside of his rookie year. In the 10 year stretch from 1955 to 1964, he led the league in OPS+ eight times. And the two years he didn't? He put up OPS+ of 221 (winning an MVP) and 196 (partial season). So, yeah, gimme Mickey Mantle.
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05-06-2015, 11:44 AM
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I'm taking Hank. Mickey fell off a cliff and Mays was an aging/average slugger after 1965.
Hank was really only a liability the final 3 seasons of a 23 year career. That's 20 straight seasons as a dominating power hitter with no injuries. You can't say that about Mantle or Mays.
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05-06-2015, 12:37 PM
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Hey guys! Guess what? There is NO wrong answer here!
The problem with comparing these three Elite Super Stars is that by picking one you almost have to demean the others...and that's not fair to them. My argument was for Mickey but I concur with the Aaron comments, but Mays shouldn't be slighted in the least - in any comparison - In addition to his hitting and base-running, he played a premium defensive position at Gold Glove level for most of his career. He was clearly a better defender than the other two and was arguably the best base-runner, though Mickey was faster early on. In separating these three from the rest of the greats, however, we are excluding, from the same time frame - Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks, and Roberto Clemente. Now, I wouldn't vote any of these three over the previous three, but they are but a step or so away. So hard to select only one! How very lucky we were to see them play!
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05-06-2015, 05:26 PM
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I'll make a bold statement and say that Miguel Cabrera is today's Ted Williams!
The best 'pure' hitter of his time, but a less than average defender. Griffey, Jr. & Mays were similar, but I'm not sure if anyone compares to Mantle or Aaron or Clemente or Banks.
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05-06-2015, 05:32 PM
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"The Mick" is my pick!
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05-08-2015, 02:22 AM
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05-11-2015, 11:00 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly that if Mantle was healthy his whole career, he's the best player since Babe Ruth. But he wasn't and I'd rather have Hank for 23 years than Mantle's injury laden career. In Mick's final 4 seasons his RBI high was 56. That's pretty bad. And he was only 33 years old when he went into his decline. Hank would hit 40 homers or more 3 times after his 33rd birthday.
As a complete player over an entire career, if I'm starting my team and I want to have a cornerstone for the next 20 years I'm picking Hank first. Last edited by packs; 05-11-2015 at 11:23 AM.
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05-11-2015, 04:39 PM
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05-11-2015, 04:53 PM
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I know this is Mantle so you're prone to give him a pass, but come on. The reason was because Mantle was simply finished after age 33.
Let's also not forget that Hank was a 30-30 player in 1963. He was just as much the complete package, but for a much longer period of time, though with a lower peak. Last edited by packs; 05-11-2015 at 05:02 PM.
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