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[old-baseball]

1 of 1 (Best of my knowledge)


1 of 1 (Best of my knowledge)


1 of 2 (Best of my knowledge)


T205 condition / Broadleaf Rarity

[GaryPassamonte]

Jay- First superstar of "professional" baseball.

Spec- The fair-foul rule was available to every player and was the rule of the day. We can only fairly compare players using the rules that were available when they played. The fair-foul argument gets old. Baseball has undergone a ton of rule changes through the years. Apples to apples. Yes, I agree illness was a major factor in Barnes' decline.

The early players whose careers started prior to professional baseball in 1871 should not be held to the "ten year rule" standard. For example, Barnes played 5 years for the Rockford Forest Cities from 1866-1870. The Forest Cities were one of the better teams in the country during those years, yet his service with them counts for nothing. The "pioneer" category was originally intended for players and this should hold true today. There needs to be an avenue created to consider players such as Barnes for HOF induction. Maybe a special committee such as the one that elected a number of Negro League players a few years ago to consider the true baseball "pioneers."

Just a footnote. Look at the career of Sandy Koufax. Barnes career is like Koufax's in reverse. Both were dominant for a 5-6 yaer period.

[buymycards]

This is the only 1917 S328 Weil Zimmerman that is graded, and there aren't any 1916 D329 Hamilton's graded.

[William Todd]

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[ValKehl]

Strip cards don't do much for me except for WaJo and Sam Rice strip cards, especially with advertising on the backs. As far as I am aware, both of these are 1 of 1s.
Val

[trobba]

Have shown this before...factory 8 overprints are extremely rare with t213-3s, I believe this is the only known double overprint/mid-card overprint, whatever you want to call it.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by trobba

Have shown this before...factory 8 overprints are extremely rare with t213-3s, I believe this is the only known double overprint/mid-card overprint, whatever you want to call it.

Great card...definitely meets the criteria!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by trobba

Have shown this before...factory 8 overprints are extremely rare with t213-3s, I believe this is the only known double overprint/mid-card overprint, whatever you want to call it.

Wow, I've never seen one like that. Great card Rob.

[Jobu]

That is a cool card. It looks to me like it is actually a triple overprint - two at the bottom and one in the middle.

Originally Posted by trobba

Have shown this before...factory 8 overprints are extremely rare with t213-3s, I believe this is the only known double overprint/mid-card overprint, whatever you want to call it.

[spec]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Jay- First superstar of "professional" baseball.

Spec- The fair-foul rule was available to every player and was the rule of the day. We can only fairly compare players using the rules that were available when they played. The fair-foul argument gets old. Baseball has undergone a ton of rule changes through the years. Apples to apples. Yes, I agree illness was a major factor in Barnes' decline.

The early players whose careers started prior to professional baseball in 1871 should not be held to the "ten year rule" standard. For example, Barnes played 5 years for the Rockford Forest Cities from 1866-1870. The Forest Cities were one of the better teams in the country during those years, yet his service with them counts for nothing. The "pioneer" category was originally intended for players and this should hold true today. There needs to be an avenue created to consider players such as Barnes for HOF induction. Maybe a special committee such as the one that elected a number of Negro League players a few years ago to consider the true baseball "pioneers."

Just a footnote. Look at the career of Sandy Koufax. Barnes career is like Koufax's in reverse. Both were dominant for a 5-6 yaer period.

Gary: I did NOT say I consider Barnes less than Hall of Fame worthy because of his fair-foul prowess. I just pointed out the circumstance for the benefit of readers who might not know that Barnes' credentials have been discounted by many for that reason as well as for his abbreviated career. For the record, I have long advocated for Barnes' election just as I did for 19th century figures such as Frank Selee and Deacon White, who were long overlooked.

[edjs]

I love these cards.

[rhettyeakley]

Ed, I agree I really like the 1913 Oakland Oaks set as well, especially given that they were likely produced by the same candy maker as the "Texas Tommy" cards (The Cardinet Candy Co.), here are the ones I have been able to pick up over the years...

[GaryPassamonte]

Spec- I apologize if I sounded too strong. No disrespect was intended. We're both in the same corner.

[chipperhank44]

Oversize postcard (5x7). Only seen one other example. Would be interested to know if anyone has seen others.

[edjs]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Ed, I agree I really like the 1913 Oakland Oaks set as well, especially given that they were likely produced by the same candy maker as the "Texas Tommy" cards (The Cardinet Candy Co.), here are the ones I have been able to pick up over the years...

Oh, Rhett, those are so nice. Your killing me. Thanks for sharing!

[daughert87]

Not sure if my rarest, as have not ever confirmed how rare it is. But it is the only one graded by either SGC or PSA (unless I missed one). Was a cool addition to my quest of trying to get a card from every year.
Darrin

[oldjudge]

Gary--Creighton got paid, thus he was the first professional superstar. I guess that what I think is that there are players equally deserving to Barnes who are not yet in: Stovey, Van Haltren, Ryan, Orr, Browning, Caruthers, etc. Would I get heartburn if Barnes got in--no. However, I wouldn't lose any sleep if he didn't.

[GaryPassamonte]

Jay-The players you listed are deserving of HOF consideration. However, none of these players played in the pre-major league era. I think those that played pre-1871 need an avenue for HOf consideration as "pioneers" whether they played 10 major league seasons or not. I'm talking guys like Barnes, McVey, Creighton. Currently, these players are technically ineligible for the HOF. An executive or manager can be considered from this era, but not a player. I think that is wrong.

[William Todd]

Bruce, That card is absolutely awesome...