1933 Diamond Matchbooks

[TanksAndSpartans]

Thanks Jeff and Carl. Jeff, thanks for posting some scans. It makes sense what you said about the colors - without having seen many color photos of players from that era - its easy not to give the accuracy of those photos a second thought. Here is a link that the uniforms can be compared with: http://www.gridiron-uniforms.com/1932.html. Interesting to see the Braves/Redskins wearing blue! Also, selecting the Giants, I see a uniform very similar to the one Burnett is wearing in the scan Jeff posted. No orange.

Carl, wow - you finished the 33 set. Did you also work on other years?

This is the SGC 33 checklist:

1 Gene Alford (Green Bio) 1.00
2 Gene Alford (Pink Bio) 1.00
3 Marger Apsit (Green Bio) 1.00
4 Marger Apsit (Pink Bio) 1.00
5 Morris Badgro (Green Bio) 2.00
6 Morris Badgro (Pink Bio) 2.00
7 Cliff Battles (Green Bio) 3.00
9 Morris Bodenger (Pink Bio) 1.00
10 James Bowdoin (Pink Bio) 1.00
12 John L. Boylan (Pink Bio) 1.00
13 Hank Bruder (Green Bio) 2.00
14 Hank Bruder (Pink Bio) 2.00
15 Carl Brumbaugh (Green Bio) 1.00
16 Carl Brumbaugh (Pink Bio) 1.00
17 Bill Buckler (Pink Bio) 1.00
18 Jerome E. Buckley (Green Bio) 1.00
19 Dale Burnett (Green Bio) 1.00
20 Dale Burnett (Pink Bio) 1.00
21 Ernest Caddell (Pink Bio) 2.00
22 Chris Cagle (Green Bio) 2.00
23 Chris Cagle (Pink Bio) 2.00
24 Chris Cagle (White Numbers/Football) (Green Bio) 3.00
25 Glen Campbell (Green Bio) 1.00
26 Glen Campbell (Pink Bio) 1.00
27 John Cannella (Green Bio) 1.00
28 Jules Carlson (Pink Bio) 1.00
29 George W. Christensen (Pink Bio) 2.00
30 Stuart Clancy (Green Bio) 1.00
31 Paul Collins (Green Bio) 1.00
32 Paul Collins (Pink Bio) 1.00
33 John F. Connell Pink Bio) 1.00
34 Geo. Corbett (Pink Bio) 1.00
35 Orien Crow (Green Bio) 1.00
36 Orien Crow (Pink Bio) 1.00
37 Ed. Danowski (Green Bio) 1.00
38 Ed. Danowski (Pink Bio) 1.00
39 Sylvester Davis (Green Bio) 1.00
40 Sylvester Davis (Pink Bio) 1.00
41 Johnny Del Isola (Green Bio) 2.00
42 Johnny Del Isola (Pink Bio) 2.00
43 John Doehring (Pink Bio) 1.00
44 Glen Edwards (Green Bio) 4.00
45 Glen Edwards (Pink Bio) 4.00
46 Earl H. Elser (Green Bio) 1.00
47 Earl H. Elser (Pink Bio) 1.00
48 Grover Emerson (Green Bio) 2.00
49 Grover Emerson (Pink Bio) 2.00
50 "Tiny" Feather (Green Bio) 2.00
51 Ray Flaherty (Green Bio) 2.00
52 Ray Flaherty (Pink Bio) 2.00
53 Ike Franklin (Green Bio) 1.00
54 Ike Franklin (Pink Bio) 1.00
55 Harold (Red) Grange (Green Bio) 5.00
56 Harold (Red) Grange (Pink Bio) 5.00
57 Leonard Grant (Green Bio) 1.00
58 Ace Gutowsky (Green Bio) 2.00
59 Ace Gutowsky (Pink Bio) 2.00
60 Melvin Hein (Green Bio) 5.00
61 Arnold Herber (Pink Bio) 8.00
62 Bill Hewitt (Green Bio) 5.00
63 Herman Hickman (Green Bio) 2.00
64 Herman Hickman (Pink Bio) 2.00
65 Clark Hinkle (Green Bio) 5.00
66 Clark Hinkle (Pink Bio) 5.00
67 Cal Hubbard (Green Bio) 10.00
68 Cal Hubbard (Pink Bio) 10.00
69 Geo. Hurley (Green Bio) 1.00
70 Geo. Hurley (Pink Bio) 1.00
71 Herman Hussey (Pink Bio) 2.00
72 Cecil Irvin (Green Bio) 1.00
73 Luke Johnsos (Green Bio) 2.00
74 Luke Johnsos (Pink Bio) 2.00
75 Bruce Jones (Green Bio) 1.00
76 Bruce Jones (Pink Bio) 1.00
77 Tom Jones (Green Bio) 1.00
78 Thacker J. Kaye (Pink Bio) 2.00
79 John Simms Kelly (Green Bio) 2.00
80 John Simms Kelly (Pink Bio) 2.00
81 Joe Kopcha (Pink Bio) 2.00
82 Joe Kurth (Green Bio) 3.00
83 Joe Kurth (Pink Bio) 3.00
84 Milo Lubratovitch (Green Bio) 1.00
85 Milo Lubratovitch (Pink Bio) 1.00
86 Roy Lumpkin (Green Bio) 2.00
87 Roy Lumpkin (Pink Bio) 2.00
88 Jim Mac Murdo (Green Bio) 1.00
89 Jim Mac Murdo (Pink Bio) 1.00
90 Joe Maniaci (Pink Bio) 1.00
91 Jack McBride (Green Bio) 1.00
93 Ookie Miller (Pink Bio) 1.00
94 Granville Mitchell (Pink Bio) 1.00
95 Keith Molesworth (Pink Bio) 1.00
96 Bob Monett (Pink Bio) 3.00
97 Hap Moran (Green Bio) 1.00
98 Hap Moran (Pink Bio) 1.00
99 Bill Morgan (Green Bio) 1.00
100 Maynard Morrison (Pink Bio) 2.00
101 Matthew Murray (Pink Bio) 1.00
102 Jim Musick (Green Bio) 1.00
103 Jim Musick (Pink Bio) 1.00
104 Bronco Nagurski (Pink Bio) 10.00
105 Dick Nesbitt (Pink Bio) 1.00
106 Harry Newman (Green Bio) 2.00
107 William Owen (Green Bio) Photo of Steve Owen 2.00
108 William Owen (Green Bio) 3-Point Stance 1.00
109 Steve Owen (Green Bio) 4.00
110 Andy Pavlicovic (Pink Bio) 2.00
111 Bert Pearson (Pink Bio) 1.00
112 William P. Pendergast (Green Bio) 1.00
113 William P. Pendergast (Pink Bio) 1.00
114 Jerry Pepper (Pink Bio) 1.00
115 Stan Piawlock (Pink Bio) 1.00
116 Erny Pinckert (Green Bio) 2.00
117 Erny Pinckert (Pink Bio) 2.00
118 Glen Presnell (Green Bio) 1.00
119 Glen Presnell (Pink Bio) 1.00
120 Jess Quatse (Pink Bio) 3.00
121 Henry Reese (Green Bio) 1.00
123 Richard O. Richards (Pink Bio) 1.00
124 Tony Saransky (Pink Bio) 1.00
125 Elmer Schaake (Green Bio) 1.00
126 Elmer Schaake (Pink Bio) 1.00
127 John Schneller (Green Bio) 1.00
128 John Schneller (Pink Bio) 1.00
129 Johnny Sisk (Pink Bio) 1.00
130 Michael Steponovitch (Green Bio) 1.00
131 Michael Steponovitch (Pink Bio) 1.00
132 Ken Strong (Green Bio) 4.00
133 C.O. Tackwell (Pink Bio) 2.00
134 Harry Thayer (Green Bio) 1.00
135 Harry Thayer (Pink Bio) 1.00
136 Walter Uzdavinis (Pink Bio) 1.00
137 John J. Welch (Pink Bio) 1.00
138 William E. Whelan (Pink Bio) 1.00
139 Fay Wilson (Green Bio) 2.00
140 Fay Wilson (Pink Bio) 2.00
141 Frank (Babe) Wright (Green Bio) 1.00
142 Frank (Babe) Wright (Pink Bio) 1.00
143 All-Amer. Board Of Football Seal 1.00

[obiwin]

The checklist is missing a pink variation of Cliff Battles.

Here's a link to it and most of the Redskins in the set.

http://www.collectredskins.com/Match...1933-Diamond-/

[TanksAndSpartans]

Thanks! I actually emailed PSA about a week ago regarding grading these - I'll update the thread if I get a reply back. Is Jim Musick holding two footballs, one in each hand or am I just seeing double again?

[Footballdude]

I too collect matchcovers. However, I don't have any from the first silver set, so I'll be watching this thread with interest. I do have over 125 from other sets though.

[jefferyepayne]

This is a great thread but we need more pictures from those who have these! I have only a few so haven't started to tackle this one yet.

Here is one of the big dogs that I do have.



jeff

[TanksAndSpartans]

Awesome! The Hubbard is the rarest, right? Jeff are either of those recent wins? I think I remember seeing a Hubbard matchbook in an SGC holder in one of the recent spring auctions.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by DezHood

Awesome! The Hubbard is the rarest, right? Jeff are either of those recent wins? I think I remember seeing a Hubbard matchbook in an SGC holder in one of the recent spring auctions.

I know its ONE of the more difficult ones to find but not sure about the rarest. I'd have to pull John Spano's excellent article on Diamond Matchbooks from Gridiron Greats to check. I know SGC gives it along with the Nagurski the most weight in their equation but I don't put much credence into what the grading companies think. They often don't know the sets as well as hard core collectors and their weightings are often just plain wrong.

You have a good memory, John! I picked up both of these in a BST auction lot recently.

jeff

[obiwin]

@DezHood. It's funny that you asked, I too have often wondered whether Jim Musick was holding the ball sideways or if he was, as you are seeing, in fact, holding two footballs.

I wasn't sure, but was leaning towards the two footballs.

Originally Posted by DezHood

Thanks! I actually emailed PSA about a week ago regarding grading these - I'll update the thread if I get a reply back. Is Jim Musick holding two footballs, one in each hand or am I just seeing double again?

[TanksAndSpartans]

OK, I see it now, with my glasses on, I think Musick is holding the football sideways - two footballs would've been cool though.

I got a response from PSA regarding the grading:

We do actually grade some of the 1933-1938 Diamond Matchbooks Football Cards. Below I’ve included the items we’ve already graded, however, if you do not see your items listed please respond with front and back images of the items in question along with as much information as you can provide. Once I hear back from you I will contact our research department and should have a response within 7-10 Business Days.

Then I got an image which listed 12 subjects:

33 Nagurski
35 Badgro
35 Musso
36 Nagurski
36 Stydahar
37 Manders
37 Corbett
37 Bausch
37 Fortmann
37 Feathers
38 Maniaci
38 Famiglietti

So I guess they recognize these, but all others need to be proven to exist? A bit of a head scratcher. I've never see one in a PSA holder, so it is interesting to know these 12 are out there.

Given the response though, I may just reply back "thanks", let me know if you have any better follow up.

[TanksAndSpartans]

Also, Carl or Jeff or others, what would a "mint" matchbook look like? Would it be one that was folded with the matches in it just like they come out of the cigarette machines today?

When Carl says: "Most important thing is striker intact not "bob tailed " and unstuck." - I'm not familiar with the terminology.

[obiwin]

here's an example of what "bob tail" means

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Diamond...item20f8a14d4a

notice how the Paul Collins on the right is missing the striker portion at the top whereas the Orien Crow on the left still has the striker portion intact. The Paul Collins one is considered a bobtail.

and I think "unstuck" was a typo. I think Carl meant "unstruck" as in that the striker portion of the matchbook has not been used to actually light a match, so that the striker portion remains pristine.

Originally Posted by DezHood

Also, Carl or Jeff or others, what would a "mint" matchbook look like? Would it be one that was folded with the matches in it just like they come out of the cigarette machines today?

When Carl says: "Most important thing is striker intact not "bob tailed " and unstuck." - I'm not familiar with the terminology.