Mantle forgeries - a game everyone feels comfortable playing

[jimjim]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

Koufax? Really? I haven't seen that many Koufax balls. I thought he's been known to be fairly stingy about signing stuff, although that would only give the forgers more reason to do so I suppose. I bought a Koufax ball from Steiner a few years ago. Paid a lot for it, but I feel comfortable it's not a forgery.

Check out ebay. There are a ton of fake Koufax items. Most of them have GAI COA. Ever since he started signing in-person some at Spring Training, it has opened the doors to forgers to pass sloppy examples thru the TPA. You can be 100% sure it is authentic, if it has an Online Authentics COA on it, as that is the company of Koufax's agent.

[Maddog]

I agree with way over. Maybe not the 90% level but the year is still young

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Maddog

I agree with way over. Maybe not the 90% level but the year is still young

The "Florida" forgeries of Mantle, DiMaggio, Mays, Williams, Koufax, etc. are still being produced.

[VAYankee]

Originally Posted by jimjim

Check out ebay. There are a ton of fake Koufax items. Most of them have GAI COA. Ever since he started signing in-person some at Spring Training, it has opened the doors to forgers to pass sloppy examples thru the TPA. You can be 100% sure it is authentic, if it has an Online Authentics COA on it, as that is the company of Koufax's agent.

I believe mine only came with a Steiner cert. Either way, I know it didn't come with an Online Authentics COA. you think Steiner is moving forgeries too?

[jimjim]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

I believe mine only came with a Steiner cert. Either way, I know it didn't come with an Online Authentics COA. you think Steiner is moving forgeries too?

Does it have an online authentics sticker on it? Might have a sticker from Steiner and online but only a Steiner COA card.

[VAYankee]

Originally Posted by jimjim

Does it have an online authentics sticker on it? Might have a sticker from Steiner and online but only a Steiner COA card.

It only came with Steiner sticker and COA. They said they had a deal with Koufax to sign some stuff. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the Steiner stuff was legit.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by VAYankee

I believe mine only came with a Steiner cert. Either way, I know it didn't come with an Online Authentics COA. you think Steiner is moving forgeries too?

Steiner Sports does not "move forgeries."

Many Ebay sellers will pair up their forgeries with Steiner certs to sell their garbage.

Most people who buy autographs don't have a clue about autographs. They have no idea what they are looking at.

[Maddog]

There have been reports of bad items being sold on Ebay with forged Steiner cert cards.
I and some others reached out to Steiner a while back but never got a response.
Some of the items were indeed bad and I doubt VERY much that Steiner would sell it, especially if they have a contract with the player.
Also I remember a number of years ago getting an email from Steiner regarding a signing with Koufax so at one point they did have a contract with him.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Maddog

There have been reports of bad items being sold on Ebay with forged Steiner cert cards.
I and some others reached out to Steiner a while back but never got a response.
Some of the items were indeed bad and I doubt VERY much that Steiner would sell it, especially if they have a contract with the player.
Also I remember a number of years ago getting an email from Steiner regarding a signing with Koufax so at one point they did have a contract with him.

I've reached out to Steiner numerous times over the years and they do not want to get involved.

[Maddog]

Kind of makes you wonder?

Look at how aggressive the apparel industry has been regarding forgeries of their products. Who wouldn't want to know if their brand is being damaged.

Steiner worked hard to build his company so I think he would be very concerned if there were confirmed forgeries of his certs.

The only thing I can think of is that he never saw the emails we sent to him and therefore is not aware of the situation.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Maddog

The only thing I can think of is that he never saw the emails we sent to him and therefore is not aware of the situation.

He (Brandon) knows what is going on.