The Scoundrel HOF

[jbhofmann]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

The levels demonstrated in Braun's sample were more than twice the highest level that had ever been recorded in the history of drug testing for professional athletes. That should be the first clue that there was something amiss with the sample.

"It's possible that no one has ever tested that high in baseball, but Don Catlin, the former director for the Olympic lab at UCLA who is considered the father of performance-enhancing drug testing, said he has seen cases that exceeded 100-to-1. A 20-to-1 ratio, he and others said, is not unusual in a positive test."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...doping-experts

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by jbhofmann

"It's possible that no one has ever tested that high in baseball, but Don Catlin, the former director for the Olympic lab at UCLA who is considered the father of performance-enhancing drug testing, said he has seen cases that exceeded 100-to-1. A 20-to-1 ratio, he and others said, is not unusual in a positive test."

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...doping-experts

Joel, I don't doubt what this lab director is saying. I was merely reposting what has been repeated numerous times by different news sources. These different media sources have said that Braun's levels were more than twice as high as any other recorded before. Whether that's 20-to-1, or 100-to-1, I am not a scientist. You could hold a gun to my head, and I couldn't tell you what was a high test result, and what was a normal test result. Remember, too, that Braun's first sample underwent two different tests. Perhaps it was the second one showing a 20 to 1 ratio, and the first test was the one demonstrating super high levels?

Here's one of the stories I am referring to, from the New York Daily News:

Ryan Braun’s initial PED test results were ‘insanely high,’ NL MVP’s lawyer insists client did not take PEDs
Outfielder's test results were twice the level of highest test ever taken: source

Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun’s original test for performance-enhancing drugs as the playoffs were winding down in October was “insanely high, the highest ever for anyone who has ever taken a test, twice the level of the highest test ever taken,” said a source familiar with the developing case in which the outfielder was reported to have tested positive for an elevated level of testosterone caused by a synthetic substance, triggering a possible 50-game suspension if the test results are upheld.

The never-before-seen ratio, according to the source, is one of several “highly unusual circumstances” Braun’s camp has referred to when adamantly denying that he is year’s National League Most Valuable Player ingested a performance-enhancing drug that caused the positive test.

There is no ratio stated in this report. But I will say that I have seen verbiage quite similar to that which was used in this report several times before, even with specifics as to the levels.

I must also state that I have learned to take anything posted by ESPN, especially by T.J. Quinn, with a grain of salt. They have been out to smear Braun from the very beginning, completely ignoring things that have come out to discredit negative things posted about him (ie the comments made by Joey Votto offering to make his phone records public to prove that he never spoke to Braun on the phone).

[Piratedogcardshows]

In with Jekyll out with Hyde.

[frankbmd]

A new day is dawning and I'm sure everyone has fresh thoughts on their scoundrels in the closet.

My thought concerns what the list would look like without the PEDiatric scoundrels. Below are the top eleven.

Rose
Cobb
Urbina
Bergen
Anson
Chase
Hall, Mel
Landis
Gandil
Jackson, Joe
Miller, Marvin

Recent history we all have lived through.
Prewar history we live through our cards and collections.

The results of this thread are not surprising and should have been anticipated.

I suggested in the construct of this thread that three scoundrels should be nominated from different eras and perhaps there should have been three lists (or more) to reflect those eras.

I also should have expected a dog fight, to wit arguments for or against any scoundrel could have been limited to 50 words or less (but what fun would that have been).

No changes in midstream rules will be instituted. Que sera, sera?

Did you know that Doris Day is still alive and that her real name is Kappelhoff?

[ALR-bishop]

Everyone knows that...but did you know that Albert Brooks is really Albert Einstein.

And I have been to Thailand a couple of times and never got anything from you while there

[ejharrington]

No way Dave Kingman should be on this list. He's a big teddy bear.

Long live the Sky King!