My B/S/T Live Auction Complaint

wolf441 · #1 12-14-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

As far as starting this thread and ranting, that is fine too.

+1. I think that this thread is very interesting. Like I said, I always list my auctions with bid increments of $1. I never considered that buyers might consider that bad form. I really think that this was a one-off issue because of the item up for bid.

vintagetoppsguy · #2 12-14-2014, 09:52 AM

It's not really about rules. I'm not asking for any new rules. As another poster said, it's up to the seller to state any rules.

For those that don't have a problem with it, let me ask you a question. Let's say I had 3 different raw cards in 3 separate live auctions. I charge $3.50 shipping on each one. You win all 3 and I send you an invoice for your winning total + $10.50 for shipping for the 3 raw cards. Even though I didn't state that I would combine shipping, wouldn't you kind of expect it even though it wasn't in the rules?

Again, it's not about rules, it's about doing the right thing. Do we need rules to do the right thing?

bobbyw8469 · #3 12-14-2014, 09:56 AM

David, I don't have a problem with the dollar increment. Ebay would let you raise it by a dollar. Just because the previous guys jumped it up so much doesn't compel me to follow suit.

SMPEP · #4 12-14-2014, 10:04 AM

David - if someone bids one cent more than you before the auctions ends ... you can always bid one cent more than them.

And if someone charged you shipping like that .. it's your own dumb fault for not asking.

Caveat Emptor. Take responsibility for your own decisions.

Huysmans · #5 12-14-2014, 10:12 AM

Hurt feelings?? Are we forgetting we're all big boys here? Leave your feelings and emotions at the door. And has everyone forgotten what a true auction is? The item should go to the HIGHEST bidder....period. I don't care if its by one cent or a million dollars. Plus, why would someone be offended by small increments? Especially a buyer?? If the bid is raised by ONLY a dollar, then you can keep bidding without hurting the bank. Buyers should be more concerned with HUGE bidding increments, those can quickly make you SOL! 😎
Again, just my opinion. Have a great day collecting!

1952boyntoncollector · #6 12-14-2014, 10:16 AM

any new bid gives additional 5 minutes...I don't think people will keep waiting 5 mins to bid 1 cent..

Huysmans · #7 12-14-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

any new bid gives additional 5 minutes...I don't think people will keep waiting 5 mins to bid 1 cent..

So people would sooner pay a lot more than wait 5 minutes? Not me.

Mdmtx · #8 12-14-2014, 10:42 AM

It is obviously impossible to please everyone. Earlier thread auctions have too big of increment. This thread bid increments too small and not uniform.

It all seems pretty petty. Seems like a lot of people just like to complain and try to modify all others to think and behave just like them. Good luck with that.

I have participated in live auctions of heavy machinery and seen the auctioneer accept $50 bid on $100,000.00 piece of machinery because that person was a good customer.

The moment we were expected to succumb to unwritten rules is the moment that political correctness and other personal freedoms were bypassed in our current society. As was pointed out earlier, the seller gets benefit of additional money(regardless of amount), a bump, Daddy War Bucks (the high increment bidder) is now out and may jump the bid again. The buyer gets a benefit because he can reevaluate his bid level and decide if he wants to bid again with very little added cost.

To consider this an insult to someone is insulting in itself.

Mark Medlin

toledo_mudhen · #9 12-15-2014, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

David, I don't have a problem with the dollar increment. Ebay would let you raise it by a dollar. Just because the previous guys jumped it up so much doesn't compel me to follow suit.

I consistently lose eBay auctions by amounts like fifty cents (lower priced items $10-$20 range). Almost always these are the direct result of some "snipe" software coming in at 2-3 seconds left to go in the auction. You wanna talk about irritation - that's irritation.

1952boyntoncollector · #10 12-15-2014, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

I consistently lose eBay auctions by amounts like fifty cents (lower priced items $10-$20 range). Almost always these are the direct result of some "snipe" software coming in at 2-3 seconds left to go in the auction. You wanna talk about irritation - that's irritation.

just need to do a maximum bid higher..no reason not to....if you bid 100 more than the next guy, you wont win the item by 100 on a 200 dollar card you will win by a dollar or 2...

frankbmd · #11 12-15-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

just need to do a maximum bid higher..no reason not to....if you bid 100 more than the next guy, you wont win the item by 100 on a 200 dollar card you will win by a dollar or 2...

unless of course there are two bidders with the same strategy and then one of the two will pay the extra hundred.

#12 12-14-2014, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It's not really about rules. I'm not asking for any new rules. As another poster said, it's up to the seller to state any rules.

For those that don't have a problem with it, let me ask you a question. Let's say I had 3 different raw cards in 3 separate live auctions. I charge $3.50 shipping on each one. You win all 3 and I send you an invoice for your winning total + $10.50 for shipping for the 3 raw cards. Even though I didn't state that I would combine shipping, wouldn't you kind of expect it even though it wasn't in the rules?

Again, it's not about rules, it's about doing the right thing. Do we need rules to do the right thing?

Your example only applies if there is a consensus that outbidding another member by $1 is wrong, which there isn't. I think everyone would agree that failing to combine shipping, in your proposed scenario, would be in poor taste.

thenavarro · #13 12-14-2014, 12:48 PM

Sounds to me like the guy paid 99 cents too much. (but, perhaps not, someone else might have been a player between 150.02 and 150.99

#14 12-14-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thenavarro

Sounds to me like the guy paid 99 cents too much. (but, perhaps not, someone else might have been a player between 150.02 and 150.99

The winner bid $203, outpacing my runner-up bid of $188.

LEHR · #15 12-14-2014, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It's not really about rules. I'm not asking for any new rules. As another poster said, it's up to the seller to state any rules.

For those that don't have a problem with it, let me ask you a question. Let's say I had 3 different raw cards in 3 separate live auctions. I charge $3.50 shipping on each one. You win all 3 and I send you an invoice for your winning total + $10.50 for shipping for the 3 raw cards. Even though I didn't state that I would combine shipping, wouldn't you kind of expect it even though it wasn't in the rules?

Again, it's not about rules, it's about doing the right thing. Do we need rules to do the right thing?

If I were expecting combined shipping I'd have emailed to confirm that you do in fact offer combined shipping before I bid. Kind of like compairing apples and
oranges if you ask me. But I do understand the point you're trying to make. I don't agree but I understand.

GoldenAge50s · #16 12-14-2014, 04:53 PM

However, I have accepted bids past the assigned increment as I see that as the bidder's choice

Re: To clarify Raymond's quote above (if he misunderstood MY post)--

When I stated I might install $1 increments, I probably should have said "$1 MINIMUM increments", as, of course, anyone is free to bid in as LARGE an amount as they want @ anytime.

clydepepper · #17 12-14-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

However, I have accepted bids past the assigned increment as I see that as the bidder's choice

Re: To clarify Raymond's quote above (if he misunderstood MY post)--

When I stated I might install $1 increments, I probably should have said "$1 MINIMUM increments", as, of course, anyone is free to bid in as LARGE an amount as they want @ anytime.

Fred- I did not have your post in mind when I mentioned $1 increments. However, I think that the idea of a MINIMUM $1 increment covers all and that is what you will see in all my future sale posts.

Even though our illustrious leader is okay with penny bids, I think one sawbuck is a sound incremental unit for bids. I do, however, appreciate and applaud Leon's desire to allow as much responsible freedom as possible with the B/S/T thread.

Jayworld · #18 12-14-2014, 06:00 PM

I enjoy this forum so much for the knowledge that members have and for the moderation that Leon provides... I've bought and also sold on the B/S/T and also had some auctions; I think if the seller doesn't have any rules stated on the auction (i.e. bid increments), then bid what you want. If the seller lists bid increment prices, shipping, etc. then that's up to the seller.

If you don't like the terms of the auction, then don't bid; conversely, if you do, knock yourself out.

Best forum on the web...

ATP · #19 12-14-2014, 06:05 PM

FWIW, I was the winner of the Titus in discussion. I won it by $15, but if I thought I could have had it for less I would have bid less, no offense to the seller. I thought there might have been another bidder at the end, so I wanted some room for a bid or two competing. If it were ebay he wouldn't have received my high bid amount, only a dollar over the next highest bid so that is great for him. An auction is an auction, highest bid wins per whatever rules are set, end of story.

tribefan · #20 12-14-2014, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayworld

I enjoy this forum so much for the knowledge that members have and for the moderation that Leon provides... I've bought and also sold on the B/S/T and also had some auctions; I think if the seller doesn't have any rules stated on the auction (i.e. bid increments), then bid what you want. If the seller lists bid increment prices, shipping, etc. then that's up to the seller.

If you don't like the terms of the auction, then don't bid; conversely, if you do, knock yourself out.

Best forum on the web...

+1 all around

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