Players Photo ID Help Needed 1914(?) White Sox High Res Photos Added 11/29

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

The Kansas flood of 1914 happened in early May...the first few days I believe. The White Sox were on the road in Detroit through May 1 and then travelled to St Louis for the next few days...so that would fit.Tom C

St. Louis is on the east side of Missouri and Kansas City is on the west side, 247 miles away. Detroit is northeast of St. Louis, so there would be no need for the team to pass near Kansas City.

There is a record of the team being held up by a flood in California in February during spring training: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=1

[btcarfagno]

On the back is handwritten "Kansas City Kan White Sox (Chicago) BB Club American League Escaped Kansas Flood". The photo is mounted and the writing is on the back of the mount.

Tom C

[btcarfagno]

In looking at the uniform database Dressed To The Nines, the hats worn by the men on the train seem to resemble those worn by the White Sox from 1914-1916. Also, they resemble hats worn by the White Sox during their "World Tour" with the Giants in 1913. That White Sox team made a stop in Kansas City in 1913, but I have not been able to discern any type of flood from around that time. The two Kansas City floods that I see mentioned happened in 1914, one in early May and the other in September. The White Sox did also make a swing through St Louis in September of 1914 as well.

If that is indeed Ed Walsh second seated man from the back, then the September date might be more accurate, as he did not pitch for the White Sox in 1914 until June 30, although whether or not he travelled with the team up to that point I do not know.

I agree that Gleason would have looked older by 1914. I still feel that the last man seated at the back right side looks an awful lot like Hal Chase.Chase jumped to the Feds in June of 1914, so hisinclusion in the photo would make the May date more likely.

I am so confused. Bumfuzzled even. Please help me!

Tom C

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

...Also, they resemble hats worn by the White Sox during their "World Tour" with the Giants in 1913. That White Sox team made a stop in Kansas City in 1913, but I have not been able to discern any type of flood from around that time. The two Kansas City floods that I see mentioned happened in 1914, one in early May and the other in September. The White Sox did also make a swing through St Louis in September of 1914 as well.

The Sox played in Detroit on May 1st, and then in St. Louis May 2nd through May 5th, and then had a home game on May 6th. There was no time for an exhibition game in western Missouri or eastern Kansas on this trip. On the September trip, they played at home on the 13th, then in St. Louis from the 14th through the 16th, and then had another home game on the 17th. Again, there was no time for an exhibition game west of St. Louis, and there was no reason for the team to travel anywhere near Kansas City to get between St. Louis and Detroit or between St. Louis and Chicago. It just doesn't make sense that they were escaping a Kansas City flood in May or September of that year. Maybe it was the World Tour team, or maybe it was in California during spring training--sometimes the writing on the back of a photo is incorrect.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by RUKen

The Sox played in Detroit on May 1st, and then in St. Louis May 2nd through May 5th, and then had a home game on May 6th. There was no time for an exhibition game in western Missouri or eastern Kansas on this trip. On the September trip, they played at home on the 13th, then in St. Louis from the 14th through the 16th, and then had another home game on the 17th. Again, there was no time for an exhibition game west of St. Louis, and there was no reason for the team to travel anywhere near Kansas City to get between St. Louis and Detroit or between St. Louis and Chicago. It just doesn't make sense that they were escaping a Kansas City flood in May or September of that year. Maybe it was the World Tour team, or maybe it was in California--sometimes the writing on the back of a photo is incorrect.

Certainly. One thing I can say about the writing on the back is that the "White Sox (Chicago) BB Club American League" is in a darker pencil shade than is "Kansas City Kan" (which is above) and "Escaped Kansas Flood" (which is below). They appear to have possibly been done by two different people possibly as well.

In which case perhaps we can forget about my (lack of) certainty in dating the piece and its location as being somewhat suspect.
What we can see in the photo is hats that the White Sox wore from late 1913 through 1916. If (big if) the man at the back is really Hal Chase, that would date this to either the 1913 or first half of 1914 season.

Tom C

[Jaybird]

Is this Butts Wagner? If so, he played for KC in 1900. He also played for Providence in 1902.





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