Happy Halloween Show your Ghosts!

[wonkaticket]

Thanks to Adam for selling me this back in the day.

[atx840]

That time of year again!

[insccollectibles]

A couple ghosts

[mrvster]

wrong in your neighborhood......how you gonna call??

[irishdenny]

WoW... You Guyz Have Got Some Really Cool Freaky Ghosts...
JuST BrillianT Steve!! ~ Very Impressive ~ Never NeW You had HiM LurkinG behind the Scenes...

Clarke will NeVer be the Same... BeSide Himself ;-)

[mrvster]

dadadadatdatdat.....

[Jantz]

Yet another Myers.

[atx840]

They're watching you

show em if you got em.

[MMarvelli]

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[JerryTotino]

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[mrvster]

[Texxxx]

Happy Halloween

[Bigb13]

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[Sean]

Wow, that's a complete overprint. I can't recall seeing one like that before.

Maybe Johnny can tell us just how rare that is.

[MVSNYC]

I'm not into the ghost cards too much, BUT that Poland/Downey is downright sick!

Johnny will be posting about 700 exclamation points very shortly.

[Jobu]

Johnny's post is half-written - he had a heart attack before he could hit "submit reply"

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I'm not into the ghost cards too much, BUT that Poland/Downey is downright sick!

Johnny will be posting about 700 exclamation points very shortly.

[mrvster]

THERE'S one of my WHite Whales

The Downey I have been trying to get from Rob for YEARS

I have kicked myself in the ass when I passed on that card from Scott F in early 2000

I could cry.....but ....alas....Rob deserves that beauty...


trying to catch my breathe right now....LOVE THAT CARD!! HINT HINT HINT

[Bigb13]

Downey is one of a kind I have never seen anything close to looking this good. Big bucks. I see SGC has given number grade to ghosts cards all depends who submits it but looks vgex to me no creases and beautiful focus good centering. Rob

[mrvster]

in all due respect.......SGC is totally objective .......

you need to understand what kind of card you own....


and appreciate it....


it's called a "printer's scrap"......it was hand cut from scrap sheets.....if you received a "number" grade on this card , it would indicate that the card was "factory" cut and truly not scrap......which would "red flag" the card to me...then "forget about" big bux I wouldn't want it a quarter as much if it weren't scrap....without the "A" .....the "A" means everything on that card....btw....id "kiss" SGC's ass for putting the actual ghost image of Poland on the flip I would thank them for that......

I haven't seen any front ghost image T206 with a numerical grade( true printer's scrap with front ghosts)???????????????? please show me one???

my one regret was not picking you card up for $650.00 years ago.....


regards

[Bigb13]

I have seen ghosts on the back like Frank Chance ghost with a number grade why would they do that? Rob

[Bigb13]

I have a lot more ghost image or overprints whatever they are called. 48 Bowman 52 Topps 51 Bowman 60fleer baseball and football along with maybe 5 or 6 other vintage ones I would have to look I have 3 shoeboxes full of overprints. Rob

[irishdenny]

iS a Little Late to the Party...
However, Mr. Babe Ruth Always arrives exactly when he means too!

[mrvster]

those back ghost underprints are factory cut

[shammus]

No Pre-WWI E-cards yet? Well here's one....

Not a true "ghost" in terms of the card being a wet-sheet-transfer, but because this Mordecai is missing so many color passes, the result is a very ghostlike version of Mordecai in this example...

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[MVSNYC]

Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

[shammus]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

News to me. This card came from the late Jim Blumenthal who owned the card for 10 years I believe, before he traded it to me in early august. He had acquired it in a Lipset auction back in 2004.

[insccollectibles]

This one has a stadium ghost

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC View Post
Brian, I'm not knocking your card, but wasn't there someone (very skilled) who was shaving or skinning cards to create a ghostlike effect, like the above M. Brown example?

Originally Posted by shammus

News to me. This card came from the late Jim Blumenthal who owned the card for 10 years I believe, before he traded it to me in early august. He had acquired it in a Lipset auction back in 2004.

Hey there Brian, MVSNYC(My Apologies, I'm terrible with remembering Names),

I Remember Jim's Card Very Well and Would Be Honored if ThiS Such Card Was iN My CollectioN!
As fir it being tampered with... if I remember correctly, this card was included in a topic of cards that were subject to "Someone's Work".

However, IMHO... JimB had owned and presented this card numerous of times that Well Predate such "Handy Work" of those involved wit creating "Fake Ghost Cards". So No, This Card iS True to the Hobby!

ThiS Card to me iS Iconic!!! And If You Ever Decide that You Might Want to Sell or Trade iT ~ Brian, Please Ring me uP!

"I Truly Would Love to add one of Jim's Cards to my Collection, Especially ThiS One!!!"

[shammus]

Originally Posted by irishdenny

Hey there Brian, MVSNYC(My Apologies, I'm terrible with remembering Names),

I Remember Jim's Card Very Well and Would Be Honored if ThiS Such Card Was iN My CollectioN!
As fir it being tampered with... if I remember correctly, this card was included in a topic of cards that were subject to "Someone's Work".

However, IMHO... JimB had owned and presented this card numerous of times that Well Predate such "Handy Work" of those involved wit creating "Fake Ghost Cards". So No, This Card iS True to the Hobby!

ThiS Card to me iS Iconic!!! And If You Ever Decide that You Might Want to Sell or Trade iT ~ Brian, Please Ring me uP!

"I Truly Would Love to add one of Jim's Cards to my Collection, Especially ThiS One!!!"

Thanks Denny, I appreciate the kind words. I'm curious how recently did this individual create his fake ghost cards? I know the mordecai brown pictured has been in a holder the past decade and I don't think there was any interest in ghosts or printing flubs prior to that was there? At least not enough interest for someone to be out there forging them...

[Bigb13]

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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by shammus

Thanks Denny, I appreciate the kind words. I'm curious how recently did this individual create his fake ghost cards? I know the mordecai brown pictured has been in a holder the past decade and I don't think there was any interest in ghosts or printing flubs prior to that was there? At least not enough interest for someone to be out there forging them...

Greeting AgaiN Brian!,

As far as I know & remember... There were very few of us who collected these types 10 + years or so ago(within the Net54 Community anyways). Back then... I had quite a few of them and even had a tuff time selling & trading them.

As for the Soul with the creative hand... About 2-4 years ago, Do You remember a lad by the name of Kevin Saucier(I believe that was his name!?) He showed up & claimed that he could remove layers of color... and that he new of some other who had created some of the cards that were in circulation that were gaining attention. He even claimed that PSA had labeled some of them "Missing Color"... I was not a believer then, nor am I now!

I do know that these threads should be available iN Archives... Only, I haven't the desire to drum them uP for the sake of side tracking this Wonderful Thread... So I do Hope that You'll forgive me

Rest assured my dear friend... iN my Most Humble OpinioN ~
Your Mordecai iS the Real Deal!
I have No Doubt!!!

[Bigb13]

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[mrvster]

That Starr is super rare and in an elite group of approx. 12 ghost "under print" factory stamps...

get that puppy sgc graded!!! it's an 8 k card at least....that one will get a numerical grade.....very nice card

here's my weimer...sister card to the starr

[Blunder19]

Boo!

[Bigb13]

Hi Chris you mean Becker? I am taking a ride to Sgc today to get it graded.

[Bigb13]

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[Bigb13]

Here's a52 ToppsAttachment 167638

[mrvster]

Congrats! 1 year later, and I said "sister " card, but obviously not cut from the same sheet...

WHAT a beauty....an elite club....

JAMIE

I'M having scrap OVERLOAD

[onlychild]

Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

[mrvster]

are a master

[Bigb13]

Here's another one for you 52 guys image.jpg

[SMPEP]

Gotta love those 1952 triple prints!

Cheers,
Patrick

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by onlychild

Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

It is Completely Impossible to Remove the Exact Structure of a Person within any Card from any Year Just by using chemicals... The chemical would spread and ultimately remove more of the colors!

I know that you have a following of members who believe that You have this gift... Some even think You've Master'd this fallacy... I'm not saying that You can't remove colors... And imho, that is a complete an utter crime!

What I am Saying... is that Your knowledge is, and has been Always Talk.
Show us some of Your handy work...

Just to add... I'm not normally this confronting. However...

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[Leon]

A Matty ghost back obtained from a board member a few years ago (and a few other random strip cards)...

[shammus]

Originally Posted by onlychild

Yes, colors can be removed. Some easier than others. Ghost cards can and have been made this way. Heck, an entire picture (it's fly-wing thin) can be lifted off as well.

In my most humble opinion the Mordecai is still questionable...but it's holdered now. Many on this thread look great.

Kevin Saucier

It would be nice if someone came to the table with a reason as to why the Mordecai is "questionable". Perhaps, something a little more definative about the Mordecai's history that makes it fall into this category? Right now, the argument I'm hearing is "card shaving exists....so therefore the Mordecai must be shaved".

Regarding the card's history, I think we've already established that the e93 has been in a holder for the past 10 years (at least) and it was with Jim B all this time after he bought it in a Lipset Auction. From what people are telling me the artist in question was someone within the past few years?

Does anyone have an example of a shaved card they could post? Then we could at least have something to compare the Mordecai to? The silhouette on the Mordecai looks a little too good to be the result of shaving off part of the card but I'll definitely keep an open mind if someone can post something similar.

Also, has anything been documented on "card shaving"? This is something I've never heard of so it would be helpful to read up on it....