1967 minnie rojas variations

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You're tight that 19622 Green Tints have some that are clearly variations because the photo is different, but there are others where its just a difference in color separation. Those are hard to categorize. Best guess on my part is that they did re-strip the film and do new plates. Stripping was done by hand back then, so it would have been impossible to make an exact duplicate if the film was re-stripped. Things would be off in some way. Then, depending on how the color separation is done and how each plate is exposed, you can lose or gain certain colors in the image. I suppose that the "green" cards were the first run and it was rejected by the art director at some point, so the printer re-stripped new film and made new plates to fix the problem resulting in the non-green tint cards.

Does anyone know this for sure? I'd love to know the story behind those. Were they done in two print shops? Or possibly just two print runs from different film and plates in the same shop?

Al, I don't own that card but have seen many examples where the guy is visible to different degrees, though not completely, and others where he is virtually gone. My assumption is that the pressman kept "etching" the four color plates. This process allows the ink to stick to the plate in areas that are etched putting more ink on the sheet. They probably kept stopping the press and etching a bit more and a bit more until someone was satisfied that the guy was dark enough. The run between etchings would have been hundreds of sheets at a minimum, so that would explain why it can be found easily with so many differences.

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The changed poses are definite variations. And you are right Andy, that there are noticeable cropping differences as well as the tinting differences on the same pose cards. I think that was a result of a second printing company producing them and thus they are similar to the 56 and 63 DP differences George Vrechek has written about. I consider them real variations. Although the differences may not have been "intended", they resulted from intentional set ups of the printing process itself

But that is just me and as I mentioned there is no formal hobby definition of a variation that I know about. I think everyone is entitled to their own view and there is no on right or wrong

Keith -you mentioned the 57 Mantle. Are you aware of any examples where the little guy is not partially brushed out, or is completely gone ? I have seen what I think are different degrees of his presence.