Hey folks....reprising my case for the "12 factor" in the T206 structure

[Howe’s Hunter]

In post 14 above, Ted lists several comments from another thread (not this one, or the one started by Erick that seems to have Ted so ticked) involving discussion about numbers of rows or columns in the T206 printing process.

Was there another thread about numbers of cards in the possible printing schematics of the T206s? That would almost make all this seem like a broken record. Becoming boring, if not tedious.

Maybe new thoughts are a good thing.

[Jantz]

I agree with Ted that the 12 factor applies to these 2 backs.

Sweet Caporal 350-460 factory #42
Red Hindu

These two backs mirror each other.

As far as the 12 factor with other backs, I haven't had a chance to do enough research to comment on them. The same with sheet size and subject count/position. I haven't done enough research to comment on them either.

Also agree with Ted that the Exclusive 12 players were on a sheet together.

I went out on a limb back in 2010 and started a thread about these 12 players being sheet partners and since then haven't seen any evidence/proof to make me think otherwise.

[Tao_Moko]

Until a sheet is discovered or recreated there can only be theory. I don't have any issue with the factor of 12 because it's seemingly evident. I also like Erick's approach and use of technology using scraps and miscuts to create a sheet. I may be late to the game but can you combine both efforts? Trying to prove the other right may be the way we get to the bottom of this.

Maybe we should start a thread where this community makes an effort to provide scans of all of our miscuts, scrap, printers marks and print defects? A resource for sheet builders to access.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Maybe we should start a thread where this community makes an effort to provide scans of all of our miscuts, scrap, printers marks and print defects? A resource for sheet builders to access.

+1. Or a subcategory/place on the site where members can upload pictures of any of these oddball cards. I also think it would be a good place for anyone who owns/owned one of the rarest backs (Drum, Broadleaf 460, Uzit) to post scans. If we had enough scans of cards with Drum backs for example, it might be possible to try to work them together, jigsaw style. After all, there couldn't have been too many Drum sheets printed back in 1910.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Until a sheet is discovered or recreated there can only be theory. I don't have any issue with the factor of 12 because it's seemingly evident. I also like Erick's approach and use of technology using scraps and miscuts to create a sheet. I may be late to the game but can you combine both efforts? Trying to prove the other right may be the way we get to the bottom of this.

Eric S

I like your term "seemingly evident" to describe my "12 factor".

One of the problems I have with Erick's approach is that the dimensions of the Lash p/c have not been stated, which would provide a frame of reference.

It appears to me to be the size of a 3" x 5" card, but I'm not sure of this.

Another problem is that the various layouts in the diagrams presented are of an arbitrary nature. It's just guesswork as to how many of these Lash p/c's
overlayed the hypothetical T206 scrap sheet.




TED Z
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[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Eric S



One of the problems I have with Erick's approach is that the dimensions of the Lash p/c have not been stated, which would provide a frame of reference.

It appears to me to be the size of a 3" x 5" card, but I'm not sure of this.

Another problem is that the various layouts in the diagrams presented are of an arbitrary nature. It's just guesswork as to how many of these Lash p/c's
overlayed the hypothetical T206 scrap sheet.




TED Z
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Totally agree. The overlay is arbitrary if the Lash p/c dimensions are not known and even if they are it doesn't solve the problem on it's own. The p/c may not hold any value to sheet size at the end of the day but it does give some reference. It's truly an irrelevant concern in life but more exciting to read about than hair follicles in the printing process. T206 is the most over analyzed set in existence right? Premiums given to printing flaws in a 105 year old process is kind of funny.

[Jantz]

Thank you Ted.

It was good talking to you at the National too.

Its always one of my highlights of the National talking T206s with you.


Jantz

[tedzan]

I may have asked you this before......
Do you have (or have seen) any of the T206 cards in the 350/460 series with two different names (top & bottom) on them ?

Also, I've asked Doug Bacon this same question, and he does not have any of these from the 350/460 series in his collection.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jantz

I agree with Ted that the 12 factor applies to these 2 backs.

Sweet Caporal 350-460 factory #42
Red Hindu

These two backs mirror each other.

As far as the 12 factor with other backs, I haven't had a chance to do enough research to comment on them. The same with sheet size and subject count/position. I haven't done enough research to comment on them either.

Also agree with Ted that the Exclusive 12 players were on a sheet together.

I went out on a limb back in 2010 and started a thread about these 12 players being sheet partners and since then haven't seen any evidence/proof to make me think otherwise.

I really appreciate your comments. You appear to be the lone voice here with anything meaningful to add to this thread.

I've been collecting this "Exclusive 12" sub-set since 2004, when I acquired an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 Wheat; and, a red HINDU Tannehill.

I now have completed (or near completed) these 12 subjects with the following T206 back runs......

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
El PRINCIPE de GALES....need 4 more
red HINDU......................need Sheckard

LENOX (does not exist)

OLD MILL (extremely rare......still looking for any)

PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 (does not exist)


PIEDMONT 460, Factory #25
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN 460
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42 (overprint)....need 6 more

UZIT (extremely rare......still looking for any)









And yes, there are many other aspects of the T206 series structure that conform to factors of 12. I have listed the various series numbers
in the introductory post here for anyone willing to consider.


It was great seeing you and talking with you at the National. Take care good buddy.


TED Z
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