New Addition to the Scrap family Circus

[mrvster]

I can't get enough of those.....owning that Plank must be INSANE! I want the Wagner ghost/scrap sooooooooooo bad....but I'd take the Wagner strip

[ullmandds]

there was a small window of time maybe 8-10 yrs ago when the wagner strip could be had for a "Reasonable" sum...that window has long been locked shut!!!

[mrvster]

so sad, so true!! I love that Damn strip

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by mrvster

I can't get enough of those.....owning that Plank must be INSANE! I want the Wagner ghost/scrap sooooooooooo bad....but I'd take the Wagner strip

Johnny,

Do you have a pic of the Wagner ghost scrap? I don't ever recall seeing a pic of that card.

Great scrap addition by the way!

Tony

[Sean]

Originally Posted by e107collector

Johnny,

Do you have a pic of the Wagner ghost scrap? I don't ever recall seeing a pic of that card.

Great scrap addition by the way!

Tony

I don't think that it's a ghost, but it seems to be a scrap. It is #19 in the T206Resource.com Wagner Gallery.

[Sean]

Johhny, you've got me thinking- what is the most valuable T206 scrap card? I came up with the following:

1- Wagner scrap
2- White (Albino) Plank
3- Light Blue Plank missing color
4- Leon's massively overstruck Dom Mullaney
5- Jeff Lichtman's split-level Cobb Green

And if we expand the definition of scrap to include proof cards, then the Wagner proof strip and the Eddie Collins proof would also be at the top of the list.

But the value of most of these cards comes more from the player- Wagner, Plank, Cobb- than from the fact that they're scrap. The exception is the Mullaney, whose value is derived solely from it's being scrap. So I guess Leon's card is the leading scrap card in the set. IMHO.

[mrvster]

Mike! of course you r the man! couldn't have my cards without you!
Thanks about Chance...looks great in person, similar to my Grimshaw BB..
Had to pry it from my friend not cheap

Tony and Sean.....there is a 100 % scrap wagner out there with a 100 % magenta ghost on the front( I believe Mitchell ghost).....Chris b can post the scan for me....i'll look at #19 on the resource to see if that's the one....I want it so bad!!!!! so bad!!!, id give up my whole collection for it! btw....the merritt/ Crawford ghost in Goodwin was almost mine last year, had the deal done until someone smashed it on me, so close! would have went sick w my bender ghost it so mad about that one.....anyway....


Sean...

Proofs are in another league(altho Scrap....they are so cool/rare/ design phase cards, they need their own category...)




I'm going to think about this for a while......then give my opinion.....some pre lim thoughts id say :


Proof category:

1) wagner strip
2)Collins Proof
3)Matty proof
4) 8 unlisted Southern leaguers(Keith O's)
5) design change/ type 1 proofs


Scraps:
1) wag scrap/ghost
2) any pied 150 wag(scrap inmho)
3)2 plank scraps(ur s included u lucky bastard)
4) any plank pied 150(scrap inmho)
5) a free for all of dramatic/freaky deaky scrap- leons young/brown om multi will take this slot for now....



that's the beauty.....new ones get "discovered occasionally"....and could snag # 5 any time...


# 6 # 7 ect can be a free for all with some beauties! I own a few I believe..

I know my bender/lake would be in the top 10 along with my chance cycle overprint no name and maybe my bob hall or the kruger twins

brain multi strike/ cards like the ones I just mentioned, will be set icons over the years I predict! thank GOD I jumped on board when I did



I d love to hear opinions about these scrap rankings! great topic SEAN

[Sean]

Leon's card brings another question to mind. I always heard that T206s were printed in New York, then shipped to the different factories , where the backs were printed. Leon's card was printed with a Piedmont 350 back and an Old Mill back, both of which were printed at Factory 25.
But it also includes an EPDG back, and those were printed at Factory 17. I'm assuming that all these backs were printed at the same time, so were all these backs printed together even though they have different factory numbers? Both Factories 25 and 17 are in the 2nd district, Virginia. And if they weren't printed at the same place, does that mean that the card was shipped to a couple factories to be used for a practice print run?
I think we need someone like Ted to explain this.

[Leon]

All I can say is I am just glad I got it when I did And not to feather my own nest, and of course we are biased towards our own cards, but the Matty Proof is the only HOF'er issued proof known, as far as I am aware (though there are probably others) so it might be above a no name or other issued type T206 proof (minus a wags or plank)

[Sean]

Johhny, great call on those multi-strike backs. That is one thing that my set is missing. I wish I had one, but for the prices they're selling at now I'll have to do without.

By the way Johhny, if you want to see a great ghost card, Scott has one for sale on ebay. Search T206 ghost Wiltse to find it. I really like it, but it's a bit out of my price range.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Sean

Leon's card brings another question to mind. I always heard that T206s were printed in New York, then shipped to the different factories , where the backs were printed. Leon's card was printed with a Piedmont 350 back and an Old Mill back, both of which were printed at Factory 25.
But it also includes an EPDG back, and those were printed at Factory 17. I'm assuming that all these backs were printed at the same time, so were all these backs printed together even though they have different factory numbers? Both Factories 25 and 17 are in the 2nd district, Virginia. And if they weren't printed at the same place, does that mean that the card was shipped to a couple factories to be used for a practice print run?
I think we need someone like Ted to explain this.

The factory numbers aren't the printing factory. They're the cigarette/tobacco factory the product was distributed from. That was required by law to be on any pack insert sort of premium. ALC in NY didn't have any ID on cards that I know of. They may have had some copyright or printing notice on some cigar box labels.

Steve B