assault weapon ban again

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

If you're trying to argue that a criminal has never purchased a gun through a private sale, you'll most likely lose that argument.

I'm trying to argue just the opposite. Illinois is one of the states that requires an id for private party gun sales. It was more of a question for you. Do you think that the bad guys of Chicago are complying with that law, or do you think they purchase their guns off the street without an id? You would probably say that most of the bad guys purchase their guns off the street without and id, right? Therefore my whole point was what does it matter if there are laws on the books or not requiring an id for private part sales if the bad guys aren't going to comply?

Chicago has some of the strictist gun laws in the country, yet their gun violence is among the highest in the country. Why aren't the laws working? Are there not enough laws in Chicago or do they need more?

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I am a second amendment supporter, but I think a few common sense laws would help the problem.

I'm all in favor of common sense laws, but I don't think they would help the problem. Purchasing a gun should require paperwork and an id. Period. It doesn't matter if it's through a dealer or a private sale. I think that is common sense. However, I don't think it would help with the problem as the bad guys aren't going to comply with the law.

I work for a company with nearly 5 thousand employees. We have an active bulletin board at work where we are able to buy, sell and trade things - anything, just as long as it's legal. I recently traded a lever action rifle for a .40 caliber handgun. Although Texas law doesn't require any paperwork, we still completed our own transfer paperwork with each other's names, addresses, gun serial numbers, etc. Heck, I don't want a gun out there that was originally registered in my name to somebody I barely know. He probably felt the same way. If something ever happens, I can show the paperwork that I am lo longer owner of the gun that I swapped him.

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I also support strict penalties to the registered owner of a gun used in a crime.

That can be a real slippery slope though. What if the gun owner had the gun secured, someone broke into their home, stole it and then used it in a crime? Should the gun owner be penalized even though they were a responsible citizen? That would be like penalizing someone that had their car stolen from their garage and the car was used in a crime.

On the other hand, sure, there are people that don't secure their guns. Should they be penalized if their gun is stolen and used in a crime, or if some kid finds it and accidentally shoots themself or somebody else? You betcha! But, at the same time, so should that guy that leaves his car running while he runs into the convenience store and somebody hops in and takes off. It's all about personal responsibility.

[jhs5120]

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