Virginia Brights boxes

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by jerrys

By personally having little doubt the T3 is the photo print in question is not fact. Surely there must be a better reason than guessing.

Your post strays into extraneous matters without demonstrating any logical connection to your T3 opinion.

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I never said it was fact, merely my opinion and stated what I based my opinion on, I don't feel it was too extraneous to point out the Turkish Trophy brand had done a similar promotion previously with cards of exactly the same size as T3's.

Originally Posted by jerrys

T3s are premiums of Turkey Red, Fez and Old Mill not Helmar. Helmar and Turkish Trophies were not similar brands - TT was a brand of Helmar.

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Helmar was a separate brand, Turkish Trophies was not a "brand of Helmar," S. Anarygos was the parent "pseudo-comany" and had many sub-brands during that time including Egyptian Deities and others. Look at the T350 imitation cigar label series, there are 5 different brands that were all included in the same packs at the same time... Turkish Trophies, Helmar, Mogul, Murad and Egyptian Deities. You are speaking of these brands like they were all owned by different companies and it wouldn't make sense for a TR to advertise TT, which just is not true. The "cross-pollination" Henry speaks about was commonplace for their promotions.

Originally Posted by jerrys

BTW as I recall the production of T3s were exhausted in 1911 and the message to send in coupons was removed from these cabinets in order to ease demand. There was actually a shortage of these cabinets; not a surplus to supply endless tobacco stores - even if this theory was true.

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This has never been proven that these "no-checklist/brand" cards were done when the supply was dwindling. The fact that the no checklist back is on Series 1 cards only actually would seem to indicate that was not the case.


Jerry, you seem like a nice guy and I respect your opinion greatly so I'm not sure why you seem so dismissive of everyone else's theories/educated guesses. I'd love to hear your theory as to what was being given out.