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[bobbyw8469]

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

[Luke]

So you're saying your word means nothing... Wow.

[slipk1068]

Don't blame Craig for being angry. I know I would be.

It seems like an honest mistake. It's not like Robert reneged because he was offered more money from someone else. I have dealt with Robert, and I can say he is an honest and helpful person.

Maybe ship Craig a $10 common or something from his wantlist to try to smooth things over?

[bobbyw8469]

Let's play WHAT IF - What if the following morning Craig decides he doesn't want the card? What am I gonna do, force him to send me the money?? Say "You agreed to the deal - you have to pay!!!"....of course not....I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. All the naysayers really need to understand both sides of the fence here.

[jhs5120]

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

Thank you - this is all I'm going to say on the matter. Craig and I worked out a deal for a card. We had a verbal agreement he would pay me the next day. During the middle of the night, the card sold and was paid for on Ebay. I forgot to take it down. An unfortunate situation, and I am sorry that it happened, but my hands are tied. I have been on the receiving end of situations like this as well. And yes, while not happy, I was understanding. There will be other cards. I am sorry this happened. If you choose not to deal with me, I am sorry you feel that way. I hope you change your mind in the future. For those of you who do choose to deal with me, I promise to do everything in my power to help you out or make sure you are satisfied. That is what I can offer.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't know why everyone is jumping on Bobby.. It's clear that this was just an unfortunate mistake. It happens on these forums every day.

The best way to avoid these type of things would be to pay for items immediately.

I agree, had cparker paid immediately this wouldnt have been a problem. However... cparker and bobby agreed that he could pay the next morning. Had that not been part of the agreement, then yes, the card is for the taking.

It's as if he put the card on lay-away for 12 hours. If the agreement was that the card was his, awaiting payment the next morning, he shouldnt have to worry about it being sold anywhere else.

[cparker94]

Steve,

I couldn't have said it any better than what you said. I appreciate everyone's take on this unfortunate matter. I think we all have our opinions on who is at fault. Some say I should have paid right away to avoid this which is true. However, we did have an agreement. He reneged. He could have corrected his mistake. He chose not to. That's what makes me most upset. I've been in the sales business for years and when I make a mistake, I do what I can to make it right, whether it is offering a discount on a future purchase or whatever. Make the customer happy. In this case, he could have done a little research and see that I have a huge wantlist of 828 cards (www.mytoppscards.com) and maybe he could have offered me a similar card of equal value for the same price. I mean, I almost expected him to do something. Well, that's all I can say on this. It is what it is. I hope we all can learn from this and be better for it.

Craig from Texas

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Let's play WHAT IF - What if the following morning Craig decides he doesn't want the card? What am I gonna do, force him to send me the money?? Say "You agreed to the deal - you have to pay!!!"....of course not....I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. All the naysayers really need to understand both sides of the fence here.

I feel that this is part of the risk of being the seller and it's definitely going to happen. However, you should not have agreed to the terms of the deal if you weren't going to follow them. That's the point I am trying to make. You agreed to terms, but without communicating, you had clauses in your agreement that were not explained.

It's like going to the car dealership and signing a paper to buy a car the next day. The dealership cannot sell the car to anyone else, but the buyer has the option to back out. It's an AGREEMENT made. It's all just part of the business.

Once more, you had THREE buyers; CParker, eBayer, and ASC (which is as good as money in hand). So to say that you were afraid of not getting your money seems a bit exaggerated.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

It's like going to the car dealership and signing a paper to buy a car the next day. The dealership cannot sell the car to anyone else, but the buyer has the option to back out. It's an AGREEMENT made. It's all just part of the business.

That isn't correct. Until the deal is funded, every dealership I know (and I know many, I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC) will take the money from the first customer that comes up with it, agreement or not.

If you want to see this for yourself, walk into a dealerhsip, yank the salesman's chain for a while and then tell him you'll be back tomorrow to buy a certain car. When you get home, look on the dealership's website and see if that card is still listed or if they removed it in order to hold it for you. I guarantee that it will still be listed. Dealerships DO NOT remove their cars from website inventory until the deal is funded.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Dealerships DO NOT remove their cars from website inventory until the deal is funded.

And to add to that, sometimes dealerships will leave cars on their inventory website even after the car is sold to generate more leads (especially if it's a hot car). Customer comes in looking for that car, car was sold three weeks ago and the salesman (well, any good salesman) flips them to something else.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That isn't correct. Until the deal is funded, every dealership I know (and I know many, I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC) will take the money from the first customer that comes up with it, agreement or not.

If you want to see this for yourself, walk into a dealerhsip, yank the salesman's chain for a while and then tell him you'll be back tomorrow to buy a certain car. When you get home, look on the dealership's website and see if that card is still listed or if they removed it in order to hold it for you. I guarantee that it will still be listed. Dealerships DO NOT remove their cars from website inventory until the deal is funded.

Maybe my analogy was bad. I'll accept that. I just always assumed that when I left my $500 check to 'hold' the car til the next morning, that that was an agreement that it wasn't going to be sold to anyone else until I came back on the agreed time. Maybe I shouldn't make uncommunicated inferences either...

I've said all I can say for this thread. In the end, I don't like the sales tactic that an agreement can be breached if money is not exchanged ASAP.

Buyer does have an opportunity to renege on his offer, and that would suck for the seller (what Bob was afraid of). But in the same case, the seller can renege the card and leave the buyer without a card (poor Craig). But as the seller, I feel as if they/we/it/whomever assumes those risks, not the buyer.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

But wasn't this agreement 'in writing'? It was not verbal, it was typed. It is written/typed so your argument is null. So, being that you had a written/typed agreement, by definition, yes, you reneged on it.

And to say that a verbal deal is not binding in law is a bit ridiculous. Certainly it is in some cases. It's easy to renege when you are hiding behind a monitor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

You are a freaking nut . I am not a lawyer but I believe A verbal contract is a binding contract on anything except certain sales.....real estate and maybe a few other things. But just because we let folks back out of "a" deal on this board doesn't make it the way all contracts are. You might want to look up what constitutes a contract, I am not a lawyer, but verbal contracts are enforceable in most states and most situations. Proving them can be an issue though....

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

A verbal deal is not binding in a court of law. I didn't renege on anything. I can tell Rob Lifson I want to give him $5 million for his T206 Wagner card. Until the payment is in his hand, I haven't done squat.

I am not a lawyer and the only exposure I have had to contract law was in a business law class I took in college but even I know what you had here was a verbal contract to sell this card to the Net54 buyer.

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

[bobbyw8469]

If there is an offer (there was in this case) and an acceptance of the offer (again, there was in this case) then you have a contract. Written or verbal....it doesnt matter...you had a contract. I suggest you brush up on your law before making a dumb statement such as this.

If that is the case, how come I can never force the renegers on here to pay me when they agree to buy a card??? It is a contract, according to you....

[orioles93]

Over 2200 views. Niiiiiiccccccceeeeeee

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by orioles93

Over 2200 views. Niiiiiiccccccceeeeeee

Yea...it is quite a bit. And to think, it all started with a simple deal of me wholesaling some cards off.

[orioles93]

To be honest, I havn't even read the thread.

[batsballsbases]

Leon,
Please enough with this crap. The deal is over he will just keep on going everytime someone eggs him on. This isnt what the B/S/T should be all about. How many views it takes to see who is with him and whos against him. Please lock it up and tell Bobby boy to move on!

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If that is the case, how come I can never force the renegers on here to pay me when they agree to buy a card??? It is a contract, according to you....

You have a remedy for the renegers but it is called small claims court. Obviously it typically isnt worth anyone's time, money or effort to go this route.

I am not sure why I am responding to this as several of your responses shows how in my opinion....ignorant you can be. I am not sure you are making these statements as a way to stir the pot around here or just draw attention to yourself. Since I have seen your sorry act on other boards I am going with you need the attention.

[bobbyw8469]

I am not sure why I am responding to this as several of your responses shows how ignorant you can be. I am not sure you are making these staements as a way to stir the pot around here or just draw attention to yourself. Since I have seen your sorry act on other boards I am going with you need the attention.

Wow!! I don't quite know how to respond to that. You name call and resort to slander and expect me to not respond?? Just sit in a corner and let you (who I have no idea who you are - no offense) sit there and talk crap about me?? Well, I am taking the high road here and not responding in kind to you. But that is a pretty cheap shot if you ask me.

[Sean1125]

For the record, the correct term would be libel.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

For the record, the correct term would be libel.

Thanks Sean....I always get the two confused.