Bout to pull the trigger...

[davetruth]

lol not craigslist... but listen here's the deal: worst case scenario- the card is not right. I return it for a full refund via paypal. Best case scenario- I score a really awesome card at a a great price. To me it seems like little risk high reward. At the end of the day, I know that I have to feel 100 percent right about it before I do it. The holder looks good, the card looks good, everything checks out..and I called paypal and they said I'm good if anything goes awry with the purchase. I know that it is possible dude could send me a reprint in the holder. I'm covered through paypal. Card could be altered or whatever- I'm covered through paypal. Bicem you said you would be suspicious of a high grade..is there anything i'm missing?

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by davetruth

Bicem you said you would be suspicious of a high grade..is there anything i'm missing?

Generally speaking, some cards, not all, that grade high may have been professionally altered in the past. This board has seen it's fair share over the years.

Tony

[Peter_Spaeth]

hOW good a price? If its too good to be true then there is a problem.

[the 'stache]

Dave,

I'm with Peter on this one.

Here's the exact same DiMaggio you're looking to buy:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2012/491.html

It sold in the 2012 Robert Edwards auction for $7,100.

You need to ask the person offering to sell this card how they came to own it.

[davetruth]

honestly it could be too good to be true...it is a really good deal. So I guess when it comes to even graded cards, don't buy online unless you know the dealer is a given. But hypothetically you have the worry of getting altered cards in any deal, correct?. If the DiMaggio in question has been graded by SGC, and they missed the card being altered, where does that leave me as a buyer? There is a level of faith in any transaction, the fact that I have the paypal protection in my mind seems like it be a shot worth taking. Couldn't I just send the card in have it looked at, and have SGC confirm the grade?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Pass. The card in the scan may not be the one you get. Common scam.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Think. Why would he sell that killer card to you at some cut rate price? NO legit reason. Who is the seller. References?

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Think. Why would he sell that killer card to you at some cut rate price? NO legit reason. Who is the seller. References?

Exactly.

We know the card being offered was sold by a reputable auction house within the last two years. We do not know what has happened to the card since then, as Card Target does not track 1941 Play Ball yet.

However, I did not see this card being sold on Ebay. So, that means either the seller acquired it through another auction house, or a private transaction. Either way, if you're being offered the card at a "great price", I'm wondering why you're getting such a great deal.

It's like somebody having a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 4, and offering it on Ebay for $5,000. Why are they offering a card for a fraction of the card's worth?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Exactly.

We know the card being offered was sold by a reputable auction house within the last two years. We do not know what has happened to the card since then, as Card Target does not track 1941 Play Ball yet.

However, I did not see this card being sold on Ebay. So, that means either the seller acquired it through another auction house, or a private transaction. Either way, if you're being offered the card at a "great price", I'm wondering why you're getting such a great deal.

It's like somebody having a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 4, and offering it on Ebay for $5,000. Why are they offering a card for a fraction of the card's worth?

You and I both know the answer. They either stole the card or stole the scan. They are waiting for the $2500 and will send him an empty package with a return receipt....there goes your paypal protection.

[davetruth]

Thanks guys, for real. Everything adds up to me passing on this one. I mean hey sometimes you can get lucky on something...but you have to be realistic. The facts don't add up. That's why I came here. You all have helped greatly. Thanks a lot.

[davetruth]

After seeing that auction i'm starting to feel iffy on it. But that's why I come to this board. I need to be educated. I wouldn't want to do something like this with out some help. I feel like I have some knowledge about cards, but this one might be a little out of my league. Thanks for all the help thus far. "In the multitude of counselors, there is wisdom"

[Rollingstone206]

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[davetruth]

guys...you are going to toast me... please be easy on me. lol. He wanted $2500. *anticipating incoming flaming arrows* AGAIN, the ONLY reason I was going to give it a shot was because of the paypal protection. I would never, ever do something like this, even on a much lower scale, without covering my bases. Sorry if I come off like an idiot. But I was trying to do my homework. Hence why I inquired here. Again, I know I have to stick to the old adage, "if it looks to good to be true, then it probably is".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol. Glad you asked. Be careful out there.

[gregr2]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Lol. Glad you asked. Be careful out there.

+1

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Lol. Glad you asked. Be careful out there.

"Let's be careful out there."

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by davetruth

guys...you are going to toast me... please be easy on me. lol. He wanted $2500. *anticipating incoming flaming arrows* AGAIN, the ONLY reason I was going to give it a shot was because of the paypal protection. I would never, ever do something like this, even on a much lower scale, without covering my bases. Sorry if I come off like an idiot. But I was trying to do my homework. Hence why I inquired here. Again, I know I have to stick to the old adage, "if it looks to good to be true, then it probably is".

I don't need to read more after this statement. Pass on the card.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by davetruth

honestly it could be too good to be true...it is a really good deal. So I guess when it comes to even graded cards, don't buy online unless you know the dealer is a given. But hypothetically you have the worry of getting altered cards in any deal, correct?. If the DiMaggio in question has been graded by SGC, and they missed the card being altered, where does that leave me as a buyer? There is a level of faith in any transaction, the fact that I have the paypal protection in my mind seems like it be a shot worth taking. Couldn't I just send the card in have it looked at, and have SGC confirm the grade?

Well, I don't buy online unless I know the seller is reputable.

I don't see any evidence of the card in the picture you've provided being altered. The question here is "does the seller have the card in question"?

If this is somebody you're doing business with online, ask the seller to take a few other pictures of the card with them holding it, or their name/Ebay id in the picture with the card. If the seller is legit, they should have no problem doing this. If the seller is trying to scam you, they'll back out somehow.

[Orioles1954]

A buddy of mine paid 8 grand for a 1958 Topps Ted Williams PSA 10. Sent money through paypal, seller sent a package with delivery confirmation and return receipt. I was there when he opened the package and got two Upper Deck golf cards. Paypal wouldn't do anything about it because of the return receipt. The seller's address turned out to be fake and the scan was stolen. Looks very much like the case you're dealing with here.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

A buddy of mine paid 8 grand for a 1958 Topps Ted Williams PSA 10. Sent money through paypal, seller sent a package with delivery confirmation and return receipt. I was there when he opened the package and got two Upper Deck golf cards. Paypal wouldn't do anything about it because of the return receipt. The seller's address turned out to be fake and the scan was stolen. Looks very much like the case you're dealing with here.

This is one of the worst stories I have ever heard. I am shocked that Paypal did not stand behind the guarantee. Do you they expect us to all take videos of the box being opened?

[davetruth]

egbeachley posted :Question: If Paypal protection can be used if the card is fake, then why does having a Return Receipt make a difference?

I am wondering the same thing. Seems like any way you slice it the buyer could be screwed..

T206 collector - I got off the comp last nite before I could post more info of the site. It was antiques.com. And yes...the seller is in Russia. Please see my previous posts as to why I would even think that this was worth asking about (paypal protection)

Also you can see that the pics the guy has were taken with a phone (his reflection is seen in both pics lol) and not stolen from the auction website. But still super duper shady nonetheless. I know.

[lug-nut]

should have read the last two pages...my bad