OT: dogs being killed at the Sochi games. What we can do to help them

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes, I agree and said so, people should give as their hearts dictate. My dispute was with the notion being offered to justify giving to animal rights that people can fend for themselves. I did not bring that into the picture, you did.

You conveniently omit that I wrote ON MANY LEVELS people can help themselves and that animals cannot. If this is not so, tell me how it's not. I don't see how giving to animal welfare needs to be justified. You brought THAT into the picture.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ken I think we are squabbling needlessly and we probably agree more than disagree, but why bring whether people can or can't help themselves into it at all? How is it even relevant to whether this is a good cause? Why did you bring it up in the first place?

[Cardboard Junkie]

I'll say it. I hate most people, and I love most animals.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

I'll say it. I hate most people, and I love most animals.

You and Linus.

[johnmh71]

Sorry, but if I have to choose between donating to Dana Farber to help with a family's excessive medical expenses or donating to a bunch of mutts in another country, the choice is simple.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

Sorry, but if I have to choose between donating to Dana Farber to help with a family's excessive medical expenses or donating to a bunch of mutts in another country, the choice is simple.

I'm with ya John. I'd give to the pooches everytime too!

[drcy]

As far as homeless go, I live in the big city and see them and many are clearly seriously mentally ill. Many of them are perfectly nice and friendly when you talk to them, but they clearly don't have the mental and sometimes physical capabilities that the average person does. Arguing that they should pull themselves up without others' help is silly.

As I said before, if person A wants to help dogs in Russia, person B wants to help cats locally and persons D and E wants their charity to go to humans, great. What's to complain about there? It's not a dogs versus humans argument.

[ALR-bishop]

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ken I think we are squabbling needlessly and we probably agree more than disagree, but why bring whether people can or can't help themselves into it at all? How is it even relevant to whether this is a good cause? Why did you bring it up in the first place?

I don't know. I forgot.

No seriously (somewhat), to react to the below post. Nothing more. I respect that people prioritize things differently. But it is a fact that stray dogs cannot help themselves. And yes, I agree that children mostly cannot help themselves, but they are not being shot with poison darts, at least not in any civilized country that I know of.

Originally Posted by johnmh71
"Not to say this isn't bad, but aren't there people out there that need help too? I would start there before I moved onto animals."

I'm done.

[Runscott]

I think everyone should be forced to only eat only one food item (whichever one they think is the best), and nothing else.

Or to be more relevant to this forum, you can only collect one baseball card - whichever one you think is the most important.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Soy, and Ripken (89Fleer?), soooo many variations.

Thanks Bill, for this thread. When I first saw it last night, I thought it really wouldn't get much of a response. Boy was I wrong.

Bout time someone mentions seinfeld and/or the 3rd reich. (sp?) oops I just did. (godwins rule)

[drcy]

In short, it's possible to chew gum and walk at the same time, wear a shirt and pants simultaneously, and to be charitable to both dogs and humans. There is no dogs versus humans dilemma. In fact, when you find a stray dog a good home, you're being kind to both.

Did you know? Curly Howard of the Three Stooges was an animal lover and spent much of his free time finding homes for strays he found while traveling. He also was a quiet person and, away from the camera, only did his comic routines for people he knew well.

And did you know that Bela Lugosi was the first person to breed white German Shepherds in the United States? His family portraits included the human and dogs members.

[buymycards]

Hi Bill, I guess my only issue is to question why you would post this on a vintage card website? Aren't there hundreds of other sites where your post would be more appropriate? If you want to use this site, then maybe the water cooler section would be a better choice? Should we all start posting our personal issues on the main page of this board?



Rick

[drcy]

You can help animals in your local area. And/or people too. That's not a snide remark, but a recommendation. There are strays and shelters in all localities, and being nice to a strange dog or providing water and food for local birds in winter is all a good thing. Adopt a new pet and give it an enjoyable life. Be helpful to others is also a good start. Be nice to your pet, take it for a walk today. Get your dog or cat spayed or neutered. Built a bird's nest that will protect it from cats. Have a conversation with a homeless person on the street, treat him or her as a normal person. People begging for money have told me they appreciate a conversation more than money. If you want to do charity more formal, that's great. Sign up to volunteer once a week. If you wish to donate money for a Russian dog shelter, that's great. If you prefer your charity go to downtrodden humans instead of dogs that's great as long as you do it. As my dad would say "It's not an either/or situation, it's a both/and."

Interestingly, Putin is a well known dog fan and is famous/notorious for bringing his black lab with him to meetings, including with international leaders such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel below.





The photos aren't an endorsement, just something about Putin I already knew. I read a lot.