1936 Goudey R322 front/back combos

[Koufax32fan]

Dave,

I am just starting this set - so much for focusing on what I had already started. I won an auction from Heritage with 6 cards:

Bonura - Foul (over the press)/Ball (too high)
Cochrane - Home Run/Ball (outside - in fact very wide)
Gomez - Three Bagger (What a smash)/Out (a line drive to center)
Higgins - Strike (a fast in-shoot)/Ball (TOO Low)
Greenberg - Hit by pitched ball (takes his base. trainer)/Out (Pop foul to catcher)
Dykes - Out (High infield fly)/Error (line smash to 3rd)

I would love to see your list when you are complete.

Mike

[gman]

There is a Kiki Cuyler --> Ball/Out currently up for auction on e-bay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1936-Goudey-...item2ecd165340

[DaveW]

Mike - Thanks for digging up this old thread. It's good to see that there is some interest in this set. When I get home from vacation on Monday, I'll fix the picture links above and write up what I've learned after looking at hundreds and hundreds of these cards. Hint -there are 175 total front/back combos, but it's not as straight-forward as you would think.
- Dave

P.s. Is it sort of pitiful that I still check this site when I'm on vacation?

[Koufax32fan]

Dave,

Thanks - look forward to seeing what you have. Not sure if I will go for the master set right away, but I can see trying to get all of the backs for my favorite player in the set to start (of course Greenberg just happens to also be the most expensive card in the set).

As for checking Net54 on vacation: it all depends on what your vacation is. If you were visiting your inlaws as I was, then no problem. If you are on a cruise, or in Paris with your wife, then stay off this site. Of course, it is New Year's Eve and I am checking it (as my wife just happens to be on another continent with one of my kids, so it this or watching a movie with a bunch of 10 year olds).

Mike

[DaveW]

So, here is what I've found after looking at every one of these I could find for the last year or so:

Front - Printed with Back Number
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Berger - 2,8,9,14,15,17,22
Bonura - 2,4,6,7,9,17,25
Bordagaray - 7,9,10,14,15,20,25
Brubaker - 6,8,9,10,14,19,24
Camilli - 2,5,6,7,13,15,20
Castleman - 13,17,18,19,20,25
Cochrane - 2,4,17,21,22,24,25
Coscarart - 2,3,4,9,12,13,22
Crosetti - 4,9,16,17,19,20,22
Cuyler - 1,3,8,11,12,13,21
Derringer - 4,7,11,12,13,15,25
Dykes - 12,14,16,17,18,19,24
Ferrell - 10,11,16,17,18,20,23
Gomez - 1,3,5,6,7,8,16,25
Greenberg - 5,8,9,10,15,18,23
Harris - 1,2,5,7,10,11,18
Hemsley - 3,4,6,11,12,14,24
Higgins - 3,4,5,10,11,13,23
Hildebrand - 1,5,11,18,21,22,23
Klein - 1,7,13,20,22,23,24,25
Martin - 1,8,10,14,15,16,21
Newsom - 1,3,16,21,23,24
Vosmik - 2,5,6,12,14,19,25
Waner - 6,12,19,21,22,23,24
Werber - 3,8,16,18,19,20,21

So there are 175 different front/back combos. Every player has 7 different backs except Castleman and Newsom only have 6 and Gomez and Klein have 8.
Every back is used with 7 different players except back #15 is used with 6 players and back #25 is used with 8 players.
If you would like a nice spreadsheet showing all this info, just PM me and I'll email it to you.

Back #
1 Double (To left center) / Foul
2 Steals Home!! / Strike
3 Ball (Too low.) / Out (1st baseman spears)
4 Strike (A fast in-shoot) / Ball (TOO low.)
5 Strike / Wild Pitch
6 Ball (Right over) / Out (A long high fly)
7 Bunt - Scratch Hit!! / Stolen Base!
8 Hit By Pitched Ball / Out
9 Foul (Over the press boxes.) / Ball (Too high and wide.)
10 Foul / Double!!
11 Out (A short fly) / Ball (Almost a wild pitch.)
12 Foul / Force Out
13 Out / Single
14 Strike (Right over) / Ball (High - inside.)
15 Foul Tip / Strike!
16 Three Bagger / Out
17 Ball (Too close.) / Out (A pop fly)
18 Out!! / Error!!!
19 Strike (Caught napping) / Foul (High up)
20 Out / Double Play
21 !!Home Run!! / Ball
22 Out (A long fly) / Strike (A slow ball)
23 Ball (An out-drop) / Out (A sharp grounder)
24 Strike (A wide out-curve) / Ball (Outside - too low.)
25 Foul (Liner into home) / Ball (Batter fell down)

[Spike]

Update from 2016 National: I located Castleman with back #15 (the only one seen 6 times), raising that back to 7 players and total front/back combos to 176. Holding out hope that Newsom will also be found with a 7th back, though not sure which one that'd be.

Since 1936 Goudey copies the game backs from their 24-card Knot Hole League set, but used 25 different players and backs, I can see arguments for either 4x6 or 5x5 sheet arrangement. If they used 4x6 sheets, 176 combos is 7 24-card sheets plus eight "extra" cards, the same number of combos known for 1936's "new" back, #25. If Newsom is never discovered, it's possible that explains the printing arrangement.

[Spike]

Based on the good work by DaveW and contributors to this thread several years ago, I created a spreadsheet as the reference for finishing a set of all front/back combinations. The seventh and final R322 Hank Greenberg arrived from eBay last week, putting me at 100% of variations found by Net54 contributors.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

While I feel good about this set being complete, it'd be great to add more confidence. Please check it against your R322s when time allows and add any thoughts or updates.