Compare the names

[thehoodedcoder]

yes, the ink bleeds. the lettering in a delicate name is very open to looking different because of tiny lines, the amount of ink laid on it as it flies through the printing press.

do you think that if the 'erased it' and added it back so well on all of the other letters, they would botch only 2 of the letters? why wouldn't they just make all of the letters perfect?

and then that it would be completely missed by the graders on top of that?

someone that is so good, that they made everything else perfect, totally messed up 2 of them so badly that there are tons of people saying how bad it is?

not everything that has a minor issue with it is a conspiracy.

kevin

[ullmandds]

Kevin...if you can't look at brads comparison and can't see that every single letter is different...you are blind! You show me any 2 t206 captions close up...and the print will look the same.

This isn't even close!

This is a BIG problem...you'll see!

[nolemmings]

The card looks good to me.
They all look the same? Really? How about this one?


EDITED TO ADD LINK to card: http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDet...ion-PSA-2-GOOD

[thehoodedcoder]

sure,

compare them now that they are the same size.

take into account the high rate the card would have been moving at as it flew through the press.

take into account moisture differerences that could have affected the cardboard on the surface etc as it sat around for 100 years, or if someone soaked it.

take into account scanners.

im not saying they are not identical. what im saying is that there are lots of plausible reasons why they are slightly different. all of those doesn't mean it is not real or untampered with.

kevin

[ullmandds]

maybe I'm going crazy...I just don't know anymore?!

[atx840]

Quick comparison of "odd" looking Magie example posted earlier and a Magee sale tracked back to painthistorian in 2012 (thanks to CardTarget!). Waiting for higher res scans of Magee.

Both the front and back are swapped, the reverse has almost identical markings, even the factory line is missing paper/ink

[ullmandds]

Wow, Chris...great work!!!!

[insccollectibles]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Wow, Chris...great work!!!!

+1

[Cardboard Junkie]

Ay Carumba! Chris.....you're brilliant. After Tuesday even the week says WTF?

[alanu]

The "A" in Phila looks a little small in the bottom one too

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by alanu

The "A" in Phila looks a little small in the bottom one too

right. because it probably didn't get all of the ink applied in that exact spot. i have half a dozen cards that are missing part of the R, and even more where a very small part of the letter is not perfect when compared to another one, ones of which i own both a real copy and another copy of.

i have cards with the same back and front that are identical and one is bolded and the other one is not and they look vastly different from each other...but both are real.

kevin

[atx840]

I don't really like how it looks, compared it to twenty or so other Magie's and only the Probstein example and the PSA 2 shown have the same font. Both are completely different then all the others. It might be a plate issue similar to the Anderson with a few variations but the font looks fishy to me.

The back & front plates for the Magie should be quite limited to 3 or 4 identifiable plates..think of a vertical stack of 3-4 on a sheet..maybe 1/4 of the plates had this issue and there are fewer out there.

I'm quite suspicious of it.

** these are lined up 100% based on the outside black border, the P shifts as do many colours/layers through out the printing. Steve, could we prove that all Magie's have the Ps lined up vs Magee examples?

[steve B]

The one Todd posted seems to have the identical caption. The shorter letters and a few other pointers. So right now I'm leaning towards it being real.

We could line up a few Magies in a similar animation, that would tell us a lot of stuff.
If the caption is brown and was laid out from a master that had the caption then the realtionship between the P and caption should stay the same for an entire press run. (Barring of course minor changes from humidity, shrinkage etc which should be very small.)
If the captions were done in brown apart from the artwork then it would vary, but should be consistent for each position on the sheet.
The other colors should move in your animation because of varying registration. If they didn't that would indicate cards produced at nearly the same time.

Now that Todd has posted one that's nearly identical, I think the card is more interesting than it first appears.
I've become convinced there were at least three printings with slightly changed artwork for at least some of the 150 series. Maybe more than that. I've been studying Magie because I believed it would have only been on one sheet since it's uncommon, maybe even rare.

This one along with the one Todd posted is making me totally rethink that.
There are a few little things that are exactly right between the two. Like the tiny frame break just left of the top center. But the remnant of an alignment mark in red at the top center is different. The Ebay card also appears to have less red overall, so maybe it's just underinked.
The caption seems more gray than brown on both. I've seen this on other T206s but haven't started tracking it other than a note that it happens. I'd thought it might simply be the use of a different brown, but it could also be the caption being on a different color plate. There are a few things I can think of that photoshop might tell us about color, but it won't be at all conclusive for a lot of reasons. (Unless we had the cards in hand, but Magie is on my "probably never" list)

I have been able to link particular Magie fronts with particular backs. I was getting ready to start organizing the scans so I could get the info ready for posting. I can also say that more than one plate was reworked to make the corrected version, since I have a scan of a Magie and Magee with identical recognizable backs and some front differences aside from the caption.

I'll have to see if the back of the Ebay card matches any of the others. It's not one of the obvious ones, so it may take some time.

Steve B
PS- Of course there's always the possibility that the card Todd posted is also faked, meaning there's someone capable of replacing a caption well enough to get past grading- something I consider possible but very difficult.

[ullmandds]

Mind you Steve...the one Todd posted is NOT identical...look how wobbly the letters are in phil. am...that's kinda odd?!