Bill Mastro denies widespread fraud in his auctions -- yesterday.

[shelly]

I am sorry to repeat this over and over again. I was there when the card was graded. So was Bill Heitman. Bill Huges came out and admited at that time the card was trimmed. For Psa to bury there heads in the sand and say they had no idea is total BS.
What amazed me the most is that the card guys belived Mastro and not there own eys.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am sorry to repeat this over and over again. I was there when the card was graded. So was Bill Heitman. Bill Huges came out and admited at that time the card was trimmed. For Psa to bury there heads in the sand and say they had no idea is total BS.
What amazed me the most is that the card guys belived Mastro and not there own eys.

Shelly you were there at PSA when (according to legend) Bill Hughes graded it? Who else was there and what were the discussions at the time?

[shelly]

It would take to long to write what took place. I would suggest reading the card I think it has all the info you will need. I can also tell you that I called Bruce on a bet after he bought the card. He said he knew it was trimmed but they where going to make a fortune just on the publicity.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by shelly

It would take to long to write what took place. I would suggest reading the card I think it has all the info you will need. I can also tell you that I called Bruce on a bet after he bought the card. He said he knew it was trimmed but they where going to make a fortune just on the publicity.

Hey, Bruce ended up in prison -- where Bill Mastro will soon be as well. Circle of Life for fraudsters.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Hey, Bruce ended up in prison -- where Bill Mastro will soon be as well. Circle of Life for fraudsters.

Well, not all card trimmers, eh?

[mightyq]

With all this talk of trimming , does anyone else come to mind ? Anybody remember some of the hobbies bad boys.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mightyq

With all this talk of trimming , does anyone else come to mind ? Anybody remember some of the hobbies bad boys.

Plenty of people come to mind.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by shelly

It would take to long to write what took place. I would suggest reading the card I think it has all the info you will need. I can also tell you that I called Bruce on a bet after he bought the card. He said he knew it was trimmed but they where going to make a fortune just on the publicity.

I've read it but it doesn't go into details such as who was there and what was said and only has Hughes' account, and people have cast doubts on Hughes' credibility. So your perspective would be very informative should you have the time to convey it.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Shelly you were there at PSA when (according to legend) Bill Hughes graded it? Who else was there and what were the discussions at the time?

Yeah I am a bit confused too. I had never heard by anyone's account that Shelly was there. Yesterday I learned about character letters and today learned that there were a whole lot of people at PSA when the T206 Wagner was graded an 8.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Just think, if Hanky (Joe) Panky had handled the card it would have come back a "9".