Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[pepis]

Originally Posted by mintacular

What do you think of the legitimacy of this pack?

Hello Patrick,
so far i've been talking about the easy way to detect a bogus star pack and
that is recognizing whether the star card belongs in the top section of the
pack or not, this pack presents a different challenge for me because the card
showing on top Molitor/Trammell does belong in the top section and the card
on back is from panel "C" so it also does belong in that section HOWEVER i do see red flags!! i'm posting 3 pictures to help you understand the first is a picture of how a legit pack really looks (concentrate in the white part) the other 2 pictures are isolated sections of the scan you posted, the 2nd pic
shows what it looks to me like an interior tear that only happens when the
pack is opened, the 3rd is an arrow like look in the white that shows that
section of the inside flap may have been moved, REMEMBER i'm judging
by what i see in the scan you provided,,if you take a magnifying glass and
examine it i'm pretty sure you'll see it LMK and i'll explain rhy that happens
in a follow-up.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The corners on the Molitor look rounded. Is that typical of 78 cellos?

[1all]

I can't really see the internal tear in picture 2 but Picture 3 looks pretty darn conclusive of a reseal. It looks to be nearly impossible to reseal a late 70s cello without disturbing the white section.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by 1all

I can't really see the internal tear in picture 2 but Picture 3 looks pretty darn conclusive of a reseal. It looks to be nearly impossible to reseal a late 70s cello without disturbing the white section.

Yup, in 70s cellos the bottom flap is were the white section (paint) normally is and that's the thinest side of the pack, and the clear top flap is normally the thickest side of the pack and that is because the piece of gum is almost always in that side, so when the heat roller or sealer was applied to the back side of the pack it sealed better or stronger on the thicker side and it got weaker as it went through and got to the thiner side,,,,that's why counterfeiters almost always open the bottom flap, the seal is weaker or easier to open than the upper flap, because the seal is so strong in that upper side it almost always rips or tears the cellophane and that ruins the pack, but disturbing the white paint is no big deal, they figure most young naive collectors won't pay attention to detail.


Arthur, those corners do look funky! you can figure out why, now.

[brob28]

Jose, just wondering if one of the area's you are focusing in on in scan three is the numbers 54 in the code. They look to be partially missing. I'm not real familiar with the cellos so just trying to test my eye for this type of fraud. Thanks for all the great information.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by brob28

Jose, just wondering if one of the area's you are focusing in on in scan three is the numbers 54 in the code. They look to be partially missing. I'm not real familiar with the cellos so just trying to test my eye for this type of fraud. Thanks for all the great information.

Pretty much Bill,
if you look closely the zero next to the 54 is missing a piece and a chunk of the white
is missing, and if you compare the entire white section with my first picture
i posted how clean the white part is makes it so obvious.

[1all]

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