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Old 09-24-2013, 12:27 PM
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Or maybe (hopefully) an attorney/s (and/or law enforcement) have gotten involved and they have told their client/s to not discuss what is going on.....

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Or maybe (hopefully) an attorney/s (and/or law enforcement) have gotten involved and they have told their client/s to not discuss what is going on.....

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Generally speaking if a card gets bumped 2 grades up or down, it's not a law enforcement issue. It's hard to take action against an opinion or opinions.
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Sorry but when a card changes appearance or size it no longer falls under opinion.
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Leon,

I thought Greg Bussineau bought the card and was trying to sell it? So, I was talking about him buying the card thinking it was good and then being told it was bad and him going after the person who sold it to him.

Maybe the attorney's have gotten involved between Greg and SGC or Greg and the person he bought the card from. Maybe law enforcement has gotten involved because the person Greg bought the card from has been caught doing these same types of shenanigans on more than one occasion so "an honest mistake" can not be used as an excuse.

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Sorry but when a card changes appearance or size it no longer falls under opinion.
No, but it does fall under too difficult to prove.
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No, but it does fall under too difficult to prove.
Got it. Tough to take a few seconds to look and see clear evidence in the before and after pics.
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Got it. Tough to take a few seconds to look and see clear evidence in the before and after pics.
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Got it. Tough to take a few seconds to look and see clear evidence in the before and after pics.
There's also the problem of proving exactly who did the alterations. People who doctor cards typically don't admit it and the cards pass through numerous hands starting from initial purchase to the grading company and to then to the final sale.
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There's also the problem of proving exactly who did the alterations. People who doctor cards typically don't admit it and the cards pass through numerous hands starting from initial purchase to the grading company and to then to the final sale.
Well I agree that the artists do not sign the pieces but it is easy to know who submitted the suspect cards. Just takes a subpoena. It is easy to look at submissions by that person and see if there is a trend by reviewing their purchases and comparing them, when possible to the results of submissions.

Few admit to crimes that is why there is law enforcement. Card doctors are the furthest thing from hardened criminals. A hint of pressure and I am pretty assure they admit to plenty. If you simply ask casually, I agree they do not admit it. There is plenty of paper trail if one were to want to make the effort.
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