T206 fronts/backs Extravaganza......show us what you have ?

[Theo_450]

but it is called "T206 backs Extravaganza..."

I no longer own this Polar Bear run (+ a half dozen that got graded), congrats to the new owners!!!

I am certain they are happy in their new home!

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by Theo_450

but it is called "T206 backs Extravaganza..."

I no longer own this Polar Bear run (+ a half dozen that got graded), congrats to the new owners!!!

I am certain they are happy in their new home!

Theo,

That is a great collection. Hope the buyer keeps it intact and goes for the rest of the Polar Bear set.

[cfc1909]

Rob

the backs cross over print groups and for a very long time we looked for the answers to the set by examining the backs. That is why the set was so difficult to understand. The answers are in the fronts.



Go to the index page and you will find the section that explains each print group. Each time a print group stopped and a new one began the previous one was not brought back at any point and printed again.

[RCMcKenzie]

Jim,

Thanks for the reply.

How do the Piedmont 350 cards contain the southern league cards and the print group 2 or 350 only cards? if I understood correctly, you were saying that T213-1 cannot contain both and be considered a T206 because of the time frame.

[tedzan]

Sorry guys, but I cannot accept this claim......"Each time a print group stopped and a new one began the previous one was not brought back at any point and printed again."

As the often stated adage goes.....a picture is worth at least 1000 words.....so, my following pictures illustrate the fallacy of the above claim.....Please take notice of the
wide spread of the dates of issue.

American Lithographic used and re-used their printing plates during the entire production period (1909 - 1919) of of their various White-Bordered sets.



............................. 1911 .......................................... late 1909/early 1910 ................. late 1909/early 1910 ................ late 1910/early 1911 ............................ 1910






........... Spring 1910 ................... Spring 1910 ...................... Spring 1910 .................... Summer 1910 .................. Summer/Fall 1910
........v




.............. Spring 1910 ................... T213-3 .......... 1919 ................................ Summer 1910 ................................... 1911 .......................................... 1910





T214 ................ 1915 ..................




Note that the RED CROSS (T215-1) set, circa 1910-1912, includes the White Cap Matty from the 150/350 series initially printed in 1909.





T-Rex TED

[atx840]

Do we know 100% ALC printed the T213-3s?

[tedzan]

The images are the same, there's no disputing that. Definetly the same printing plates.

American Litho. printed the T200, T201, T202, T205, T206, T210, T211, T213-1,-2,-3, T214, T215-1,-2, T227 and numerous Non-Sports sets.

I think some other printing firm produced the T207's.

Anyhow, that's what my research shows me.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sorry guys, but I cannot accept this claim......"Each time a print group stopped and a new one began the previous one was not brought back at any point and printed again."

We're discussing how the T206 set was produced and whether T213-1 was part of that. We know all of those other sets reused T206 images later.

At no time during the production of the T206 set was a group discontinued and then brought back.

The super print subjects were introduced midway through print group 2 and were printed continuously until the end of the T206 set. They were never discontinued and then brought back.

[tedzan]

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

We're discussing how the T206 set was produced and whether T213-1 was part of that. We know all of those other sets reused T206 images later.

At no time during the production of the T206 set was a group discontinued and then brought back.

The super print subjects were introduced midway through print group 2 and were printed continuously until the end of the T206 set. They were never discontinued and then brought back.

I am done trying to have an intellectual discussion with you regarding the 1910 COUPON issue. First, you either fail to acknowledge, or you are ignorant of Jeff Burdick's
records which INCORRECTLY lump in this "COUPON" issue with the timeline (circa 1914-1919) of the T213-2 and T213-3 sets.

Furthermore, you ignore the fact that the 6 Super-Prints in the 1910 COUPON set were initially printed as 350-only subjects, along with 42 other 350-only Major League
subjects that were included in the 1910 COUPON set. Plus your claim that the 20 - Southern Association subjects were intermixed with the Major Leaguer's on the same
printed (34-card) sheet. This scheme totally contradicts your own "print group" criteria ! ?

Your "print groups" explanation just does not cut it. And incidently, these so-called print groups contain some confusing, or erroneous info......such as the following ......
"Group 3 began production in the second half of 1910 at the conclusion group 2. When this group first went into production, it expanded the set by 60 new major-league subjects. The correction of the Joe Doyle error ........"


Actually, the Joe Doyle error card was CORRECTED instantly after the first PIEDMONT 350 press run when it was initially printed as a 350-only series subject.
It wasn't till later in the game that American Litho selected Joe Doyle (and 65 other subjects) to be expanded into the 350/460 series. Their SOVEREIGN 350 backs were printed with the "apple green" ink.

But, of course the Joe Doyle card was never printed with 460 series backs, since he was traded to Cinci on May 31, 1910. And, on June 25th 1910 his Major
League career ended.



TED Z

[tedzan]

Furthermore, more illustrations to support my contention............





.... Summer 1910 ................ 1914 ......................... 1910 ..................... 1910/1911 .................... 1910 ..................... 1910/1911 ............... Summer 1910



ON A MORE MEANINGFUL NOTE......

In 1905, John McGraw made Donlin the Captain of the New York Giants....and, Mike enjoyed his best season, batting a career-high .356, with 216 Hits. He led
the NL with 124 Runs. Mike's lifetime BA = .333 and had he taken his BB career more seriously.... "he would have been a contender" ....for the Hall of Fame.

Hey Guys....you can catch "Turkey" Mike on the TCM Channel all this week, as they are featuring many of the old Silent Movies. Donlin appeared in 65 movies
from 1914 - 1933. Including, the classic "The General" and, the 1927 popular BB movie...."Slide Kelly Slide".





T-Rex TED

[ullmandds]

I have no beef here...but i dont think t213-3 was printed with the same plates as t206? Maybe a copy of an older plate/image?