Blank-Backed 1934 Goudey card?

[Cardboard Junkie]

I advise you to have a tpg authenticate it and slab it. Dave.

[sb1]

Thanks, but I have already done that myself. It's a real 1934 Goudey Rolfe with a blank back.

Apparently people think a TPG validates everything, some of us have been doing this longer than they have. Perhaps if I paid myself to do assess it, my determination would have more merit.

[iggyman]

Okay, good idea......but I still can't see it on the registry?

"Lovely Day!"

Originally Posted by sb1

Thanks, but I have already done that myself. It's a real 1934 Goudey Rolfe with a blank back.

Apparently people think a TPG validates everything, some of us have been doing this longer than they have. Perhaps if I paid myself to do assess it, my determination would have more merit.

[brianp-beme]

I would trust Scott over any grading company...for an example of TPG competency check out the thread on the misidentified W504 card that Dan Mckee posted. Sometimes it seems the grading companies hire the blind and the mentally challenged. In their defense, at least I have never seen a card inserted into a holder backwards or upside down.

Brian

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by sb1

Thanks, but I have already done that myself. It's a real 1934 Goudey Rolfe with a blank back.

Apparently people think a TPG validates everything, some of us have been doing this longer than they have. Perhaps if I paid myself to do assess it, my determination would have more merit.

If not authenticated and slabbed by psa, sgc, or beckett, you will leave money on the table.

[atx840]

That looks like a legit BB, smooth back and the WST..nice card!

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[glchen]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

If not authenticated and slabbed by psa, sgc, or beckett, you will leave money on the table.

+1

[T205 GB]

I am pretty sure that there will be not much if any money left on the table for the card Scott has. Leon and Scott's AH is highly reputable and I can't really remember ever once seeing a posting about a miss identified card, inaccurate description, or any other issues from there. Regardless of wether Leon is the moderator and forum owner I am sure if there was an issue it would be brought here for disscussion. With that said I do believe that it will bring top dollar and don't need a TPG to give an opinion that it is what it is.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am pretty sure that there will be not much if any money left on the table for the card Scott has. Leon and Scott's AH is highly reputable and I can't really remember ever once seeing a posting about a miss identified card, inaccurate description, or any other issues from there. Regardless of wether Leon is the moderator and forum owner I am sure if there was an issue it would be brought here for disscussion. With that said I do believe that it will bring top dollar and don't need a TPG to give an opinion that it is what it is.

Thanks Andrew. Scott and I will definitely discuss this. We never want to leave money on the table for our valued consignors.

[drcy]

It is possible for all cards to be found genuinely black backed. Printing errors or proofs. I pulled a blank back out of Topps packs as a kid. Considering Goudeys and similar cards were pasted into albums, you can also find them skinned.

I would think the best bet would be to card to various other 1934 Goudeys-- texture, etc. Skinned Old Judges are often simple to identify, because they pealed the paper thin photo off the cardboard backing. The skinned photo is perhaps 1/20th as thick as regular.

Forensically speaking, there are light meters that to 'point zero zero whatever' accuracy measure the opacity of material (how much light the material lets through). Might help aid in giving an opinion. I have one, but have never used one on a card.

For the record, there are even glossmeters that measure to 'point zero zero' the gloss of a material. The little metal machine shines light on a material surface (chrome, cardboard, whatever) at different angles and internally calculates the gloss from those readings. It gives you a reading, as if you're taking the temperature. It fits in your hand and resembles an old elementary school pencil sharpener. Paint and metal coating manufacturers use it industrially to test the gloss of their coatings. I have tested mine on baseball cards. Went through a stack of Topps and OPC once.

Most people can fairly accurately compare gloss and opacity of cards as far as identifying fakes go. One practicality of these tools is, in case of court or other dispute, they would give you black and white numerical results that can be double checked. Their readings aren't influenced by appraisal value, wishful thinking team affiliation or Miley Cyrus's twerking. Well, not much anyway.

But don't fret, I'll bring my glossmeter to the next National and rent it out by the quarter hour. For fun and entertainment. Duly note I am not liable if you try to measure the gloss of your eyeball. My lawyer says most judges in Ohio would say someone so stupid deserves to go blind in one eye. At they very least, first test it out on your dog or the neighbor's kid.

Hell, as long as you pay the $15 rental fee and return it in working order, I don't care what you do with it. Use it for as a screwdriver for all I care.

Actually, the light meter works better as a screw driver. The glossmeter is more of a paperweight/conversation piece.